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There was particular glee in Trump’s takedown of Vice President Kamala Harris, whose gender and multiracial heritage were relentlessly attacked in the “manosphere,” a loose network of misogynistic communities with influence through gaming, social media and other cultural forces.

A network poll shows that 49 percent of men 18 to 29 voted for Trump; the number was 53 percent for men ages 30 to 39, an increase over 2020 results in both categories.

“Gender is the story of this election in a lot of ways,” Miller-Idriss said.

Christian supremacists urged followers to drop to their knees in prayerful gratitude for the defeat of the “Demon-crats” and for the victory of a man they say will usher in “Bible-based governance.”

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Fuck this "it was all about gender" spin. That's like 95% Democrat cope. What this election was actually about was liberalism's insistence on doing absolutely fuck-all to materially improve the conditions of the working class.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 2 points 21 hours ago

Not to mention, Kamala kept a higher percentage of biden’s male voters than female.

https://www.datawrapper.de/_/XUI7E/

They lost anyone left of bush. They offered no vision for the future except “you guys good now? Because we’re doin’ more of this with a few republicans in the cabinet! Vote for me?”

[–] JDPoZ@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

My favorite way to explain this to normies is with a weird thing that Denny’s breakfast joint did years ago…

For those I don’t know, by the way, Denny’s is a US crappy breakfast joint that sells two cent pancake breakfasts for five bucks.

Every year Danny’s used to have a “free breakfast” day… Where you could come in and they would give you a free breakfast.

Now again, this breakfast is crappy, but it’s completely free. And as a result of this, Denny’s all over the US have always had lines out the door of people coming there to get that crappy free breakfast.

Do you know why the line was around the corner?

Because people like simple good things like a free meal, no strings attached or special actions needed.

Now ask yourself this :

Would Denny’s have near as many people show up if they offered a means-tested 70% off reusable coupon that actually had unlimited uses and ultimately saved you more?

Or a mail-in rebate that only worked during a certain day of the week, or if they said “hey Denny’s customer! you better come to Denny’s on Tuesday because they’re going to otherwise get rid of free breakfast day later this year.”

The answer is no.

It’s stupid and sucks and is counterintuitive and even if the coupon had infinite uses, less people show up than would just for “free breakfast.”

People are dumb and their needs should be directly and fully resolved, not simply just gestured toward or only marginally addressed.

And so - just like if you tell them “you’re gonna lose the access to bodily autonomy” or “the ACA” or anything else… People don’t show up… At least not enough of them will.

See, generally no one cares when you tell them they’re going to lose something… they show up when you OFFER them something simple and that ACTUALLY improves their lives in a measurable material tangible easily-connected straight-line way.

Anyone posting here keeps up with the news and is well aware of every single policy proposal that each party has and their records…

…BUT 10 GODDAMN MILLION LESS PEOPLE VOTED this time and - as stupid as they are - it wasn’t third-party voters’ fault (because even if every 3rd party vote auto-went to Harris it wouldn’t have been enough for her to win) and the 🍊 didn’t get more votes than he did last time.

Yes, racism, sexism, etc. plays a role but inflation outpaced wage growth and there are people who remember getting a COVID check when Trump was president and the check stopped when Biden was president.

These people are unreachable with platitudes and telling them that “things are better” seems like gaslighting to them when they seem to not be able to afford as much, and they haven’t gotten a raise that even comes close to making up the difference.

It doesn’t matter who is actually at fault - they just know who is in charge when it was hurting… and unless you tell them, “I’m not like the person there now and I am going to fix it” and you make them believe you and you are fully and simply and directly addressing their concerns immediately - Not with a “70% off Denny’s coupon,” but with “free breakfast” kind of simple policies (even if you just lie to them like 🍊 does so openly)… then they will simply (and unfairly) vote for whoever is not “currently in charge” in their minds.

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In order of who got what they wanted:

Men

White christian nationalist men and women

Latino men

Young men

Basically, men and brainwashed women who believe they should be subservient to them.

[–] uberdroog@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The 2 decades a good portion of them spent in foreign deserts while be pumped full of Faux Spews didn't help. When they returned and didn't get that 9/11 style adulation that firemen got...they were pissed.

[–] cicebazna@discuss.online 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ahem, Vietnam? Don’t blame veterans. It’s not a military problem. It’s a man problem. Our culture pushes men to be a certain way, and makes them feel bad when they are not that way. Education helps get over this, but most people are getting little to no education.

[–] uberdroog@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I know dozens of these men. I also grew up with Korean and Vietnam vets...they are different and see things different.

[–] cicebazna@discuss.online 1 points 1 day ago

Sure, but that’s not the reason.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Christian supremacists urged followers to drop to their knees in prayerful gratitude for the defeat of the “Demon-crats” and for the victory of a man they say will usher in “Bible-based governance.”

Barf. They can go fuck themselves. Your little book club is for you guys, not the rest of us.

How many xtians are left here? 6 out of 10 Americans? Why should the other 40% have to be arsed with their stupid lifestyle choices?

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Because millions of those 40% didn't vote and gave us this theocracy.

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

Bible blessed governance:

Brought to you by Gog and Magog

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Heard fireworks last night

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Same, late Tuesday night.