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[–] Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 64 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How does one address the paradox that, as JSON itself is evil, one cannot use it for evil?

(opinions may vary on the above; but it's mine, so nyah nyah.)

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago (4 children)

It's less evil than XML or YAML

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

XML is ok for complex docs where you have a detailed structure and relationships. JSON is good for simple objects. YAML is good for being something to switch to for the illusion of progress.

[–] Earflap@reddthat.com 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Meh. I just wish XML was easier to parse. I have to shuttle a lot of XML data back and forth. As far as I can tell, the only way to query the data is to download a whole engine to run a special query language, and that doesn't really integrate into any of my workflows. JSON retains the hierarchy and is trivially parsed in almost any programming language. I bet a JSON file containing the exact same data would be much smaller also, since you don't list each tag twice.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

There are parsing libraries, maybe not as many or as open, but they exist.

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[–] tinkling4938@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

YAML is (mostly) a superset of JSON. Is the face hugger any less evil than the alien bursting out of your chest?

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's got enough serious flaws and quirks that I can feel smug hating on it. JSON is far from perfect, but overall it's the least worst of human-readable formats.

Only Python manages to get away with syntactical indentation.

[–] renzev@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The complaints about yaml's quirks (no evaluating to false, implicit strings, weird number formats, etc.) are valid in theory but I've never encountered them causing any real-life issues.

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

no doesn't become false, it becomes Norway, and when converted to a boolean, Norway is true. The reason's because one on YAML's native types is an ISO country code enum, and if you tell a compliant YAML implementation to load a file without giving it a schema, that type has higher priority than string. If you then call a function that converts from native type to string, it expands the country code to the country name, and a function that coerces to boolean makes country codes true.

The problem's easy to avoid, though. You can just specify a schema, or use a function that grabs a string/bool directly instead of going via the assumed type first.

The real problem with YAML is how many implementations are a long way from being conformant, and load things differently to each other, but that situation's been improving.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

It's still using the lesser of 3 evils, we need a fourth human readable data interchange format.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Problem: There are ~~3~~ 4 standards

[–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 5 points 23 hours ago

Obligatory xkcd

Standards

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

>TOML has entered the channel

Any human-readable format compatible with JSON is inevitably going to be used as an interchange format...

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[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 39 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Spoilsports. Next they'll be telling me I can't use apple software in the development, design, manufacture, or production of nuclear, missile, or chemical or biological weapons.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago

Me buying my first IBM ThinkPad online:

IBM: are you planning to use this ThinkPad to produce weapons of mass destruction?

Me: I wasn't before, but now I'm curious

[–] superkret@feddit.org 8 points 1 day ago (9 children)

So if I use it to draw a rocket, I'm violating its license?

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 1 day ago

If its a design for something you plan to build then all your software is going to turn into buggy java applets and Tim Apple will give you a wet willy the next time you're trying to look cool. It's right there in the license.

[–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ah, the ambiguity of words - the definition of "evil" lies in the eye of the beholder.

[–] zerofk@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

Well then we just kill all the Beholders and voila, no more evil.

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[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago
[–] ryanvade@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

I'll be downloading this one

[–] superkret@feddit.org 28 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The FSF also lists any software as non-free which uses the beer license (use the software in any way you want, and should you ever meet the author, pay them a beer).

I can't stand beer - is there a rum & Coke license?

[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Is it really contrarian to like the FSF these days? I mean people seem to hate Stallman too but both are pretty important in the history and continuing existence of free software.

The four essential freedoms are in my view as important as the FSF says, and any license that doesn't meet all four will be met with skepticism from me absolutely.

Also, the GPL is a real, legal license, and even if there's a silly clause that causes it to be incompatible, that's still a legal liability - of course they have to take it seriously.

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 9 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I thought it was free as in speech not free as in beer? So if it costs a beer then isn't it still free (as in speech)? Or is this a OSI vs FSF difference?

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I was thinking the same thing, does anyone have any context as to why the Beer license is not considered free? If I'm to guess it probably has something to do with copyleft-restrictions (or lack thereof).

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[–] ColonelThirtyTwo@pawb.social 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Everybody gangsta with the "don't be evil" clause until the authors turn out to be a nutjob who thinks trans people are blights against God and must be exterminated.

I doubt (or at least hope) that that's not what they think, but hopefully that illustrates why the clause is dumb.

[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 6 points 1 day ago

100%, and it doesn't seem to lay out a legal definition of "good" so it's actually worse than useless - it's ambiguous.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

can we please pronounce that evil in a British accent: ivil

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