You don't need a VPN if you use I2P!
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Summation of arguments below: if you know a lot, then you know if you know if you need a VPN or not.
If you don't know if you need one, just get one.
I think you are giving an overly simplistic answer, to the point of being misleading.
Stating that you need a VPN for pirating is blatantly false. It's perfectly possible to pirate without one. You can assume that people are asking if they should have one, but it is helpful to draw the distinction- including the why you believe they should use one. What does a VPN do, how is it helpful, what could happen if they don't, etc.
Teach people, don't just give them blind rules.
Yep. I am not a strong media consumer. For my purposes, something that I think is called scene release page with links to new episodes or movies that just came out posted on one click hoster pages, as well as streaming sites where I find ways to download the video instead of just streaming, is enough. For neither I use a VPN and probably never will.
Ahh, American ey?
Whether you really need a VPN depends on where you live. When in doubt, use one
Buy an ad.
I don't use one. Never had.
Rants about not going to a big vpn because of privacy concerns, yet brings up one of the largest vpns still that their uses. Btw a vpn is only subjective to what you are doing, torrenting or any p2p activity you will need a vpn. Direct downIoads from datanodes, 1cloudfile or streaming from a site aka broflix, primeflix you dont need a vpn. Ive gone years without getting any notice from my isp with this information. Of course the websites will change over time but the info still stands true to this day.
I am not sure there is an argument of big vs small vpns. Small vpns certainly do not have the resource to fight media companies.
Not everyone lives in the so-called first world. Here the ISPs don't care about pirating.
Is this a vpn sales pitch
VPNs are not required. Instead of egressing on your ISPs network, you're egressing on someone else's network. It's kinda like paying for a second ISP so you can egress your ISP to go encrypted to your other ISP. What does it accomplish other than putting you in another law jurisdiction?
Even purevpn who said "no logs" handed over data.
"In 2017, PureVPN, which advertised a no-logs policy, supplied connection logs to the FBI during a cyberstalking investigation. These logs enabled the identification of a suspect by linking activities to originating IP addresses. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PureVPN
"In 2016, IPVanish, another provider asserting a no-logs policy, furnished user data to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security during a child abuse investigation. The information shared included the user's real IP address and connection timestamps. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPVanish
You pay them, and for what? To just take their word for it? Sorry but it's impossible to run a reliable network without some level of logging.
Not to mention that there have been documented instances Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), have been misused, leading to concerns about domestic surveillance.
This section allows the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) to collect communications from non-U.S. citizens located outside the United States, even when those communications are routed through U.S.-based companies, such as cloud providers, internet service providers (ISPs), and tech companies.
At that point do you think you'll get some form of compensation from the VPN provider?
I work for a VPN company. There may be many shitty VPN companies that do keep logs, but not all of them.
You just need to pick the right ones, ideally audited ones.
Also, VPNs are absolutely required in some countries if you're using public torrents. Even if they're not required in your country right now, you're still advertising that you're doing illegal stuff if you don't use one.
you're doing illegal stuff
Strong assumption there. It is only "illegal" because Disney said so?
If the mouse comes after your ass unfortunately yes they do kind of get to decide what is and isn’t legal. A lot of it depends on your country’s relationship with the US.
In most jurisdictions, piracy is illegal no?
Most doing heavy lifting here is my point.
Is it most tho?
I work for a VPN company.
So, you understand how things work then right? Or are you being hypothetical?
In most jurisdictions, piracy is illegal no?
No, it's actually embraced by communities such as this sprouting up. Are you a caveman or something?
No, it's actually embraced by communities such as this sprouting up. Are you a caveman or something?
Not the same guy, and I don't mind piracy at all, but being embraced by a community doesn't make something not illegal.
That's very much decided by the law of the land you live in, and in most lands it's classed as a form of theft or copyright infringement, which is illegal.
Also, bit rude to suggest he's a caveman for making a perfectly valid point
lol, likes porn eh?
https://iknowwhatyoudownload.com/en/peer/
I love these labels and torrenting porn is so noobie it's not even funny, and don't most use Bing for that?
I think there is a big misconception that the main use of a VPN is piracy when that is really only true when in a community of pirates. There are many legit uses for one as well.
For example, while VPNs are generally not a great tool for anonymity they can be a useful tool for privacy. One of the side effects of not trusting your ISP (or better put trusting your VPN over your ISP) with your data is it also makes it easier to torrent.
Its this relationship of trust that makes choosing a respected VPN (such as Mullvad, IVPN, or Proton) important over just choosing the cheapest provider with port forwarding.
Yeah I don’t really understand this post. I use a VPN pretty much 24/7 coupled with little snitch. I like controlling what information of mine is going out and who gets to come in.
Not every country has firms that send warning letters/lawsuits for torrenting. Research whether your country does that before getting a VPN. In my country, I never had to get one.
Do I need a VPN to read this post?
Starting an AI company will also allow you to infringe copyrights on a massive scale without punishment
Copyright is whatever a corpo need to fuck the working class
I don't have to worry about any of this because I live in Denmark! It is not possible for me to pirate stuff because it implies that I did not pay, which I did as there is a special piracy tax!
We call it 'blankmedieafgiften'.
~~we call it 'kulturarvsafgiften' and apparently you can't google it which I'm not gonna imply any conspiracies about but yknow~~
I don't know about your piracy tax specifically, but there's also a tax on any storage media, printers etc. in Germany.
The "Urheberrechtsabgabe" (copyright duty) is not about paying for pirate copies, but it's a compensation for the loss due to the right to a private copy. A private copy is e.g. a copy of a CD I own in case the original gets destroyed. It's explicitly not allowed to share them.
Sadly the right to a private copy gets canceled as soon as it's necessary to break a "working" copy protection. CD copy protection has been broken for decades, but it still counts as a "working" copy protection. Thus a private copy is practically not possible legally, but we still pay this tax on any storage media... I really hate the copyright lobby.
is not about paying for pirate copies, but it’s a compensation for the loss due to the right to a private copy.
Sounds an awful lot like a piracy tax... We pay this tax on any device which can store bits, it's not just some storage mediums. If you buy a phone, you're paying this tax to a """non-profit""" org called CopyDan whose sole job is to make sure a few select fat cat copyright holders get paid. If I don't break their copyright, I still have to pay as if I did. Therefore, it's a piracy tax.
Do you know, is this another tax additional to "blankmedieafgiften" ("blank media tax" or "private copying levy"), or is it the same tax under a different name?
Actually it might be blankmedieafgiften, that sounds far more correct. I was having trouble finding the exact term and ChatGPT was very confident (I know...) when I eventually gave up and asked it.
Private copying levy. In Sweden, it's called privatkopieringsersättning.
That's semantics. They're charging it because they're afraid you're copying copy-protected materials, which is piracy. It's a piracy tax.
No, it's ackshully a private copying levy. I get what you mean, but it's a "good" thing, because otherwise 12 § upphovsrättslagen probably wouldn't exist anymore:
Var och en får för privat bruk framställa ett eller några få exemplar av offentliggjorda verk. Såvitt gäller litterära verk i skriftlig form får exemplarframställningen dock endast avse begränsade delar av verk eller sådana verk av begränsat omfång. Exemplaren får inte användas för andra ändamål än privat bruk.
I don't get it. You think laws will stop existing if we stop paying some fat cats for sitting on some copyrights?
I also don't care what I'm allowed to do, I don't believe in copyrights, so you can't really argue in favor of it to me.
Think like this: for our sooo beloved politicians and legal systems, everything in life is seen as a transaction. Due to the fact that I've paid my "private copying tax" or whatever you want to call it, I therefore have the right to make private copies and share them with limited groups of people. If they want to restrict those rights that I have paid for, they would "need" to remove the tax -- but they will never do that because it's tons of free money.
But if they did get rid of the tax, there's no longer that "transaction", and therefore there's nothing hindering them from criminalizing private copying. Sweden is already USA's lapdog in all other regards, so you can bet it'd be repealed quickly.
I don't support copyright laws either, nor follow them, but I can appreciate how it's currently set up here, simply because it would otherwise become much much worse. At least here, normal people can do what they want without worrying about getting a legally binding order to pay 700€+ in damages like the Germans get.
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Your mileage may vary. 25 years of downloading shit without a VPN and I never had a problem.
No doubt about the same and I have pirated everything.
It's a numbers game for me. I think it really does depend where you live, and what you are downloading. 30+ years for me for the record, but I'm generally pretty low on the arrrrrr scale. Basically I'm guilty for like suburban house wife levels of pirating, downloading albums not yet released, the odd movie and maybe one to two PC games a year. Actually I'm a pretty big book pirate too, and I guess I do have IPTV, but my point is it's all for super-micro levels of personal consumption, I'm not wholesale uploading, I'm not resharing it, nor am I dealing in anything weird or gross. So wasting your time on me isn't going to be very fruitful, zero impact to the greater world and economy. Hence I don't waste much time with VPNs and all of that, I just don't think there's much reason to. Plus I don't fully trust that the NSA or whatever bureaucrat-org doesn't have a way to front run your traffic out of the ISP even before it hits the VPN.
Not everyone is US based, but ofc it's an understandable assumption since it's a very populous and well Internet-connected country (plus we're discussing in English).
To save one's behind when torrenting (pirating is a bit generic), a VPN is a great tool, but falling into the privacy/security and legal nightmare of a cheap service installing malware (or getting their proprietary app hacked) and/or stealing residential connections is a big risk (like with those services where a huge budget is spent on predatory marketing on youtube); paradoxically having that unrestricted VPN app installed might mean that a lot more people are torrenting with your residential connection. This point is not a deal breaker, just a "beware", do your homework and isolate that connection within your OS or even better within your network.
Other counterpoint: within a country where they haven't started to really crack down on it, you are protected by the impossibility of fining / suing / arresting millions of people at once. More people sign up for VPNs and torrent from outside the country, the more their connationals will also need protection.
Sorry for the wall of text..
Keep in mjnd that in the US, downloading isnt the illegal part, its providing the file to others (seeding).
Got to seed tho matey...
Wrap that rascal up
I know 2 Germans. They prefer Usenet over VPN. USA gives you warning. Germans don't give warning.
A "great" thing about copyright infringement in Germany is that the statue of limitations only starts after the copyright holder learns from the copyright infringement.
This means, even if I torrented a movie 5 years ago, and the copyright holder finds out my name only now, they'd still have another 3 years to sue me.
Anyway, there're private torrent sites in Germany. It's only public sites that don't exist.
DDL and streaming sites are really big in Germany. Usenet too, but until a few years ago I don't think there were Indexers with API's, so it's been either manual downloading or streaming.
UseNet over SSL?
So i see this alot and i understand it but at least in my country (canada) i have been torrenting for well over 15 years with out a vpn. The worst case is a 5k fine total but not before a letter from the isp forwarded to me on behalf of the copyright holder. Which i can ignore with out any issue since they have no idea who i am.
Issues will arise if you reply to them.
So is vpn required?
it depends on where you live and your confort with your risk.
Which i can ignore with out any issue since they have no idea who i am.
Issues will arise if you reply to them.
This sounds like the scare tactics they use for TV licensing here in the UK and is telling by how they change the letters to "The Occupier" after no replies to their scam.
Knock knock knock through the day / evening when housewife's are about and they prowl like fuckers. I had the opportunity to scare one away when they didn't expect it (really didn't like the fact that however much they asked for "my name" they got a blank look) and they ain't been back for years :/
Fuck Capita for scaring old ladies and fellow sailors.
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