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Safe Streets Rebel's protest comes after automatic vehicles were blamed for incidents including crashing into a bus and running over a dog. City officials in June said...

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[–] alternative_igloo@lemmy.fmhy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (16 children)

What exactly is the fear about self driving cars? I’ve never heard this side of the story.

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[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (7 children)

City officials in June said there have been ninety incidents involving Alphabet's Waymo and General Motors' Cruise vehicles since January.

Compared to how many traffic incidents involving human-operated vehicles? Because if that number is greater than 90, the AVs are the safer choice.

Automated cars don't have to be perfect; they just have to be better than people.

[–] wimpysocks@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Compared to how many traffic incidents involving human-operated vehicles? Because if that number is greater than 90, the AVs are the safer choice.

Well that is simply flawed logic. How many autonomous cars are there compared to human-operated? Far far more.

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[–] CaptFeather@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

To play devil's advocate, how many AVs are on the road everyday? There are millions of cars on the road so naturally there are going to be a ton of accidents.

[–] Thymos@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

One of the car companies is quoted as having caused no serious injuries or deaths, so it seems like the 90 incidents number only includes those. Unfortunately the article doesn't question those numbers or explain what is counted, which is very poor journalism. I don't understand how they can write about the protesters' motivations without asking how many moving violations those cars have caused, or at least mention that this number is unknown.

If the numbers indeed don't count the times where they block traffic, stop for no reason or block emergency vehicles where they need to wait for the company to send someone out to the car, then AV's could be far worse than human drivers, not only in the number of incidents but also in the total delays they cause. At least a human driver can be removed from the car so that someone more competent can take over and resolve the situation quickly. And a human generally doesn't just stop in a lane and refuse to move out of the way for a very long time.

Another bonus: a human can just remove a cone from the hood and continue driving.

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