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[–] Jack@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago (20 children)

To convince Greens or Carlins (people who don't vote because the Democrats are still too evil from their point-of-view) to vote for Democrats, you need to understand yourself and them. Once you do that, you'll be able to offer more convincing arguments to support your position.

If you're voting for Democrats, you possibly agree with the following scale of evilness:

  • 10 Hitler
  • 9 Stalin
  • 8.5 Trump
  • 8 Republicans and people who vote for them
  • 7
  • 6
  • ~5-3 elected Democratic party members
  • 2
  • 1 you
  • 0 Jesus

The thing is that Greens and Carlins see the world very differently:

  • 10 people making the biosphere unlivable thru overpopulation
  • 9 factory farmers and commercial fishing companies
  • 8
  • 7 Hitler, Stalin
  • 6
  • 5 George W. Bush, Putin
  • 4 Trump, Republicans, and people who vote for them
  • 3 Gore, Obama, Democrats, and people who vote for them
  • 2
  • 1 Sanders
  • 0
  • -1
  • -2
  • -3
  • -4
  • -5
  • -6
  • -7 them
  • -8
  • -9
  • -10

The Greens' and Carlins' priorities are very different. They may think that choosing to make the biosphere unlivable is the worst thing you can do, because without a biosphere that supports life, nothing else matters.

They may think that torturing trillions of fish to death every year, and enslaving hundreds of billions of animals in torturous conditions every year, is worse than all genocides and wars in all of history combined. They think that supporting even a single genocide is bad.

They may think that given the choice between popular Hitler, popular Stalin, and unpopular Gandhi; they'd rather vote for Gandhi than the popular lesser evil, because that specific evil is omnicidally evil. It's better to vote for good and fail, than it is to vote for evil and succeed.

[–] positiveWHAT@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

One of the parties CENCORED the EPA from using the word climate change and dropped the USA out of the accords.
HOW FUCKING BRAINDEAD WOULD YOU HAVE TO BE TO LET THAT BASTARD INTO THE OFFICE AGAIN!!!

[–] Jack@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The Biden administration has now outpaced the Trump administration in approving permits for drilling on public lands, and the United States is producing more oil than any country ever has. [...] “If you were to show someone who came from Mars the line of U.S. oil and gas production over the last 15 years, they probably would not be able to tell whether a Republican or Democrat was in the White House,” said Jason Bordoff, founding director of the Center on Global Energy Policy at Columbia University. [...] The reality is the United States is already dominant. The country is expected to produce 13.2 million barrels of oil per day on average this year — millions of barrels more than Saudi Arabia or Russia.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2024/08/16/biden-oil-drilling-production/

[–] positiveWHAT@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

In a binary system they are sadly still better than the other choice. Vote at every instance for greener alternatives inside the democrats and election reform.

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