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Or time to switch to Firefox
Laughs in Firefox
I've been a firefox supporter since netscape.
That said, things aren't going great.
Because it's market share is in the toilet more and more web sites just aren't supporting it any more. My university's website, some government websites, and 2x industry platforms I use for work just plain do not work in firefox.
Mozilla just bought an advertising company. They can spin it as they like but basically, mozilla's primary revenue source in the future is going to be ads.
They just had a throw down with the developer of uBlock. I don't think this is particularly meaningful, but it's not a tick in the right column.
Nothing a user agent spoofing extension can’t fix.
Also, if anyone has concerns about Firefox there are some really interesting forks.
Zen has been my go to for a couple of weeks.
Why is that? Folks aren't going round writing user agent parsers to maliciously disable functionality in Firefox. They're just writing bad code that doesn't work on anything but the browser they use.
I use Firefox mainly because I don't trust Google and at work it ensured at least one of us sees bugs that chrome users don't.
They are.
Not maliciously, but out of laziness.
I regularly see “you need chrome to use this site”.
Would love to see examples of this, I've never seen it (since 2000 or so)
Issue is that some sites just refuse to work saying you need to install a supported browser. Changing the user agent fixes this.
Would love to see an example of this
When I say "aren't supporting" I mean "not testing". These sites are broken.
All Firefox forks in existence are merely soft forks. They're not committing code, they just compile with different flags and configure.
Not entirely accurate.
Zen brings a number of additions that even the Mozilla team have taken note of regarding features they hope to implement down the road.
Ref: (ff engineer taking about zen’s implementation - that’s not enabling feature flags) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41307555
That link is talking about tabs?
That's just css. Every soft fork messes with that. You can yourself in user.css
The big deal with tabs is getting UX right. It's more about how it looks and whether it's intuitive, rather than implementation.
I have, and as a tab hoarder, the transition has been rough. I really miss the tab grouping feature from Chrome, and I haven't found any FF extension that suitably replaces it.
I had already switched to mobile Firefox years ago for extension (uBlock) support, and that was an easy transition.
Thankfully, as a long-time Firefox user, I've never been pampered by this magical feature and so it's not something I miss. Perhaps a chrome exodus will cause Firefox to pick it up though.
Then again, I'm currently wearing a tinfoil hat that says, "Mozilla's CEO is a Google sleeper agent" so I'm about 50/50 on whether or not Mozilla will just straight-up fold in a couple years; but there's still the half that's hopeful!
Bookmarks are the better tabs for tab hoarders
Just saying
Lies.
If you want to take a chance relying on a system meant to store temporary data to store permanent/semi-permanent information then go ahead, I'll continue using the bookmarks bar and never worry about an update erasing all my tabs :)
The volatility is a feature... every once in a while I rely on my tabs being lost to oblivion to avoid being overwhelmed.
The tab grouping is the only thing I keep going back to chrome for on mobile. I spend of surprising amount of time deep diving certain things and it really helps to keep all the branches of the tree together in one group.
Big same. I really like Firefox on mobile for the addons (mostly Consent-o-matic, hate cookie popups), but I still mostly use Adblock Browser because of the tab groups. The convenience really wins me over, sadly.
No ETA, but Firefox is getting this.
Huzzah!
(IIRC) vertical tabs are already in Firefox, just hidden. Floorp has an option to enable them with a Beta disclaimer.
tried the Tab Stash addon?
Or One Tab?
I prefer FF, but if it helps you the Vivaldi Browser is Chromium based and will continue to support the v2 Manifest (old extensions) until July 2025. That might buy you time. Who knows what the landscape and options exist then.
When I switched to Firefox a while back, I also switched to using the Tree Style Tabs extension. It gives you vertical tabs which can be nested like a folder structure. I found it's way more convenient to know which tab was spawned from a parent tab, and keep similar tabs all in one little grouping. In my opinion, it's even better than Chrome's tab grouping. I lose a tiny amount of screen real estate along the left side of the browser, but it really didn't take long at all to get used to, and now I vastly prefer it.
I recommend giving Sidebery a shot. It allows you to use a vertical list of tabs instead, that follow a tree hierarchy, so you can have an entire group together and collapsable. Before it was Tree Style Tabs, but development of that seems to have slowed to a stop.
Try winger and group tabs into nameable windows
I don't know how chrome does it but I like the simple tab groups add-on. I then just keep the sidebar open to it.