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Leaked U.S. Intelligence Suggests Israel Is Preparing to Strike Iran
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I don't like how the news is trying to lay this entirely at Netanyahu's feet. This is like trying to blame South Africa's apartheid on the last president during apartheid, instead of the actual system.
Israel is a settler colonial project, its national project requires apartheid and ethnic cleansing.
Any alternative to Netanyahu would be doing the same thing, and if they failed to do so, they would be replaced by someone who would be more competent at it.
The protests in Israel aren't against the genocide, they're at the failure to rescue the hostages. Non-arab Israelis overwhelmingly support the amount of firepower used by the IDF in Gaza and the use of starvation as a weapon.
This is why there are Israeli "civilians", sometimes wearing IDF uniforms, who burn aid trucks, and why there was a successful riot to protect Israeli prison guards from being prosecuted for the rape of prisoners.
Correct. The whole settler state of Israel is like a spoilt brat that throws the toys out the pram and cries "antisemitism!" every time anyone criticises their evil, sick and twisted behaviour. They can only ride on the back of WWII Holocaust guilt for so long before it gets old. Call me an antisemite all you want, I no longer give a fuck. It makes no sense anyway. "Semitic people" is an obsolete term for people who originate from that part of the world which includes Arabs, Jews, Akkadians, and Phoenicians. Most Jews in Israel today are either of American or European descent. Personally, I hate all religions, but Judaism has got to be the most fucked up and genocidal out of all the monotheistic belief systems. I loved how after Oct 7th 2023 Israel started with the rhetoric "we want our Holocaust survivors back". Holy smokes! There can't be many of those left, the Holocaust happened 80 years ago and I doubt many of the survivors would be attending a drug fuelled rave (I mean "music festival"). I don't like cruelty of any kind, the Holocaust was an appalling event in human history, but it's not Holocaust surviving Jews that are acting like Nazis. So fuck Israel, fuck Zionism and quite frankly fuck Judaism in general along with all the other monotheistic brainwashing religions that separate us rather than unite us. "We're all Jock Tamson's bairns" as we say in Scotland.
You understand Israel's actions have nothing to do with Judaism, right?
Religion is a justification used after the fact, in the same way the US used Christianity to justify genociding the native americans. There's nothing in the bible that says "Destroy the native American's food sources and take their land", the Americans were going to do that anyway.
I would say that a culture's prominent belief system has everything to do with the way that a culture behaves. The Torah and Old Testament in general is full of cruelty, genocide and elitist ideology. Even their god is described as a jealous sadist.
You're putting the cart before the horse, when a belief system is incompatible with what the ruling class requires, they change it the way its expressed accordingly.
And I would suggest that there's plenty of evidence in the religious belief itself for followers to justify cruelty. The so-called "chosen people" think they're entitled to the land since it's promised to them in the Torah. Even taking into account Zionist misinterpretation, this highlights the problem with belief systems in general. People interpret it the way that suits their agenda. I have no time for any of it.
Then you understand it's not the belief system causing these people's behavior, their agenda determines the belief system.
America doesn't support Israel because the bible says so, even though some people might come up with some wacky interpretation, we support it because it helps facilitate imperialism throughout the middle east.
There's plenty of jews who don't interpret their religion that way, but their interpretations aren't convenient for the ruling class so they're not promoted. You can observe the same with philosophy, I'd hardly call philosophy bad just because those in power are able to amplify ideologies that serve their material interests.
I think it's possibly more of a feedback loop. Beliefs through interpretation can empower people to behave appallingly. The more they act on their beliefs the more they adjust their interpretation to justify their behaviour. Whilst I agree that not all Jews support the attrocities of Israel, I think it'd be interesting to get a percentage breakdown of just how many globally do. If the percentage is high, then you can safely assume that there's a fundamental flaw in the belief system. Let me be clear, I am no racist. I consider every human being equal. I just object to the term antisemitic being used when Judaism is not a race but a belief system. I think there is a reluctance to criticise Judaism out of fear of being labelled antisemitic. This is a term that gets brandished about too often and fuels Israel's abhorrent behaviour. You don't get the same reaction if you criticise other religious ideologies, however Judaism seems to be off the cards, mainly due to the Holocaust but mostly because it's been weaponised by Zionists to counteract criticism. People are complex and beliefs are dangerous since they stifle critical thinking. Just to be clear, I'm no atheist either as that is also a faith based ideology. The correct stance, in my own opinion, is to be honest and humble enough to admit we know very little about the nature of reality and existence and reject absolutism wherever it rears it's ugly head.
You're still approaching this from a non-materialist perspective; do you think that if Adam Smith wrote Wealth of Nations in ancient Egypt, they'd have stopped making pyramids and started making iphones? Why was this new belief system suitable to Britain at a time when the power of the bourgeoisie was surpassing that of the aristocracy and not ancient Egypt?
No, because it's not their belief system that's causes zionism, it's zionism being useful to the ruling class that causes that interpretation to be amplified. Zionist jews get articles republished in NYT and spots on cable news. Antizionist jews get silenced (or in Israel and Germany, literally arrested).
Without Judaism there would be no Zionism. If I look at the Old Testament and see it as a genocidal and elitist mythology, what chance to believers have when they adopt it as an ideology? I guess it's fortunate that some don't take the Torah literally. I'm only approaching it from a non-materialist perspective because I am a non-materialst.
What Adam Smith has to do with iPhones and Ancient Eygpt is a mystery to me. But we could argue here indefinately and get nowhere. Perhaps Xitter would be a more appropriate place for you to practice your contrarianism?
There would be be an equivalent, to quote Joe Biden "If Israel didn't exist, we would have to invent it". Settler colonialism does not require religion to create all the systems we see in Israel, as we saw most of them during the colonization of the rest of Africa, and many when Japan was colonizing SEA.
It's not a random chance, it's determined by what they're using it for. When my jewish friend interprets his books, his agenda is justifying why zionism is incompatible with Judaism. Sadly that interpretation isn't useful for America's foreign policy so it's not amplified like Joel Olsteen's interpretation of his books.
Idealism is not a useful way to analyze societal effects of an ideology, they only exist in the context of society.
The point is that ideology doesn't determine society. If it did, then all the ancient Egyptians needed was for Adam Smith to invent capitalism, and then they'd all embrace capitalism and start making iPhones, in the same way you suggest that reading the torah turns people into zionists.
Yes, if you keep coming back to claiming religion determines behavior after we've established religion is molded to fit what the ruling class is using it for.
Then we'll have to agree to disagree. Religious belief has been dominant throughout human history, so has killing each other. It's more to do with human behaviour and religion is simply a reflection of human behaviour. Class systems are also a reflection of human behaviour and religion was/is invented by ruling classes as a form of control. The stories in religious texts are merely a mythology to administer that control.
I'm no expert, but I remember Netanyahu’s opposition supporting two state solutions and other much more reasonable approaches than the horrible status quo. But it never quite hit critical mass, right?
And Netanyahu sure seems like the person who clung to power and just barely stopped that opposition from ever taking root.
Any 2 state solution was dead on arrival for the last 30 years, as such a Palestine would be effectively dependent on, and always at the mercy of Israel by virtue of Israel having already stolen the best arable land, water sources, and strategic locations.
If Yassir Arafat had gone back to the Palestinian people with "We're gonna live forever at their mercy, and none of you will ever return to the homes Israel stole", the Palestinians would have assassinated him.
If Ehud Barak had gone back to the Israeli people with "You have to give them back their houses and stop encircling/blockading their settlements", he'd have been assassinated by the Israelis.
Case in point: Yitzhak Rabin.
Isn't that the nature of a "winner takes all" knife's edge political system, though? If the opposition were in power, they would have done something like this, and Israel would hate it, but they'd have to take it just like they took what they didn't like over the past decades. Maybe they'd lose the next election (and get assassinated), but the deed would already be done.
...Or maybe I'm totally wrong.
None of the governments between the Netanyahu governments, his first one started in 1996 after Rabin got assassinated by a Likud fanatic, ever stopped the settlement expansion.
So while they maybe talked about a two state solution, they continued to steal Palestinian land ,further undermining any possibility of a two state solution.