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[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 27 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I worry that climate defeatism has become a religion, and it will be difficult to separate it from policy discussion going forward.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Things just shifted instantly from "nothing needs to be done" to "nothing can be done."

[–] Overshoot2648@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The Climate Denier's prayer:

The climate isn't changing,
and even if it was,
It's not humans that are causing it,
and even if we are,
It's better for the economy if we ignore it,
and even if that's not true,
There's nothing we can do about it anyways.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

And even if we could, It would probably mean no more muscle car collection for me.

[–] hex@programming.dev 3 points 1 month ago

Almost as if the people in charge of oil and coal and such want us to be fighting about this type of shit...

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

climate defeatism has become a religion

Going outside to 90⁰ weather in October is a religion?

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If the sum total of "Say no to climate defeatism" is "Don't feel bad during the latest in a series of historic heat waves", then you're not arguing against defeatism. You're arguing for denialism.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Don’t feel bad during the latest in a series of historic heat waves

Good thing nobody actually said that, then.

[–] JacobCoffinWrites@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A few folks I know switched smoothly from "climate change is fake" to "maybe it's real but there's nothing we can do about it at this point. Might as well live it up." Basically anything to avoid change at any level.

I think that's the defeatism they're talking about here, not people pointing out the issues.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -3 points 1 month ago

A few folks I know switched

All of that is just cope, though. Speed running denialism to acceptance. The bottom line is that - individually - there's nothing any one of us is going to do to stop Indonesia from building a new coal plant or end fracking in West Texas or stop whatever the fuck this is...

These are large scale socio-economic problems stemming from an industrial system that does not need to account for its waste byproducts. "Well, you should just believe that climate change is real but also believe its fixable" is the correct sentiment. But simple sentiment has no impact on policy.

I think that’s the defeatism they’re talking about here

I have spent my entire life hearing people in positions of authority talk about climate change and watching the institutions they lead ignore the impacts whenever a change in policy might detrimentally affect domestic economic growth rates.

That's why my heart is filled with doomerism. Even when we know, and even when we (superficially) acknowledge we can change the policy, the folks at the controls... don't do it.