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[–] iii@mander.xyz 64 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Plot twist: it was a closet gay with self-hatred!

[–] bl_r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The first person who called me a f*g was so deep in the closet he was basically in narnia

same. I first realized what he was when he had sex with a girl for the first time and then kept ranting about how disgusting and unattractive her body was. suddenly his vocal hatred of anything "gay" and constant homoerotic "jokes" made sense

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] tfw_no_toiletpaper@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Pretty sure this is just a myth, plenty of people suck for no apparent reason

[–] stiephelando@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It's not, a scientific study showed homophobic participants gay porn and measured their reaction. The overwhelming majority of them "liked what they saw"...

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Fun fact, the method they used to determine arousal isn’t admissible as evidence in court in the US because it’s not reliable enough. I’m guessing none of the “homophobia is the fault of the gays!” popsci articles mentioned that part, though.

Given that homophobia was very widely accepted until the past decade or two, it would be incredibly stupid to argue that almost all of society was gay until very recently.

[–] stiephelando@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Given that homophobia was very widely accepted until the past decade or two, it would be incredibly stupid to argue that almost all of society was gay until very recently.

Homosexuality was far more common before the rise of christianity and its spread via colonialism.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago

My comment was referring primarily to recent western history.

[–] Grail@aussie.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] stiephelando@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Thanks for sharing. I never considered that people could blame gay people for homophobia. To me this is obvious nonsense, the only people to blame are the homophobes.

That being said, the correlation between gay arousal and homophobia remains mysterious.

[–] Grail@aussie.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago

I think it's very simple. If you spend all day thinking about gay dick, your body is going to react. Normally only gay mascs and horny women spend all day thinking about gay dick. Straight men don't have a reaction to gay dick because they don't condition that response. They don't think about gay dick for long enough for Pavlov to kick in. Homophobes condition themselves by constantly thinking about sex (hot; unconditioned stimulus) and gay (conditioned stimulus) at the same time. If they just quit thinking about gay sex all day, their fetish would go away. But that would require being less homophobic, and they can't. Then they get worried that they're gay, because they like dick, so they assume being gay is what they have. And since what they have sucks, they assume being gay sucks, which makes them more homophobic.

A similar thing happens in POCD, or Pedophile Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. The fear of being a pedophile conditions an association between children and arousal, which self-reinforces in a vicious cycle. Fortunately, most people with POCD are not fascists, so they're capable of having a normal response to it in which they don't proceed to deliberately indulge in the association. In order for someone to be homophobic and suffer the same thing with gay thoughts, their judgement has to already be compromised, which produces a more toxic reaction.

[–] elliot_crane@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Using a Lindsey Graham quote would be cheating..

[–] match@pawb.social 3 points 2 weeks ago

that's a "both"