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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 4 points 11 hours ago

What part of "Trump is actively sabotaging peace talks" do you not understand?

Please, refer to this chart -

[-] sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world -3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Many thousands of us dont vote for genociders of any party. "What part of that do you not understand". Support genocide, then we dont support you, full stop.

[-] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

The two party system is a broken system. You do not choose who you support. You vote against who you dislike the most. It's a shit system, but wasting your vote is more akin to supporting Trump than voting for Harris is to supporting Harris.

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

A vote isn't an endorsement, you are not personally responsible for the actions of the people you vote for - otherwise trump voters would be in deep shit. Even if you vote for the best politician the world has ever seen that's still not you doing the politics and you're not responsible for it. The forces involved are simply larger than a single person.

A vote is a tool to be deployed tactically. Its powerful enough republicans are looking for ways to prevent you from having it.

Look at it this way: Netanyahu would prefer Trump win because he might get more support and expand the genocide of palestinians to US soil. A vote for Kamala likely won't improve Gaza but it will deny Netanyahu things he wants.

Tactically, there is efficacy in denying the butcher of gaza the things he wants even if it doesn't go as far as anyone needs it to. Why let Netanyahu win without a fight?

[-] sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago

A vote isn’t an endorsement, you are not personally responsible for the actions of the people you vote for

I dont agree. When soneone says they will do something terrible and you vote for them anyway, you have enabled it and have some of that outcome on your hands.

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Then you commit to never voting. If you vote for Bernie people will say "oh he endorsed joe biden, he is complicit" but you don't get to choose the battlefield only the outcome of the battle.

Fundamentally a percentage of politicians will lie, or lack resources to fulfil promises. There is simply nobody on earth that can uphold the promise of never doing something terrible, even on accident.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 2 points 10 hours ago

Right, but the trolley thing is apt here. There is no option to just stop using the trolley because it's not safe, it's a runaway trolley with too much momentum to slow down. All you can really do is decide which track it goes down, and pick the less lethal path.

[-] sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago

Harris could steer the trolley so it doesnt hit anyone. She's not trapped on an out of control trolley car at all-- She is driving the effing thing and has full control.

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