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[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 day ago (3 children)

You're right that she was Hilary 2.0, but for the wrong reason.

It has very little to do with policy.

The difference between winning and losing was almost certainly just people who preferred a man over a woman as president. Whether they will say it or not, America is still not ready for a female president.

"In 2020, men were almost evenly divided between Trump and Biden, unlike in 2016 when Trump won men by 11 points."

This election, Trump won men by 10 points again.

Democrats have got the largest share of women's votes in every election since 1988.

Losing 10 points of the male vote isn't caused by support for Israel, or a lack of progressive policies.

This is the sad truth.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

~~the~~ reason

Another reason

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I’m not going deny that there were certainly sexist people that wouldn’t vote for a woman. But I don’t think I can agree it was the difference between winning and losing.

I think it’s much, much more likely that the progressive voting bloc that was able to start winning the primaries in 2020 and was railroaded by the party (twice) that’s been completely shunted off to the side in favor of some mythical swing Republican voter is very much the reason.

They think putting a woman of color up as the candidate would be enough to win that bloc. Which goes to show the root of the problem. It’s the rainbow capitalist issue. “If we slap a pride flag on the person of color we got as our new representative and change our single bathroom signs to say ‘all gender,’ we’ll be in the right! We’ll fool those hippies and socialist dirtbags yet!”

This has failed them. Over and over. The most thinking people of the entire country (biased opinion, I grant) aren’t easily appeased. Things were so bad in 2020 that bloc mostly held their noses to vote for Biden. And they figured running against trump was the only ammunition they needed to lock down that bloc and they could hold them no problem while also courting the neocons!

They are funding a genocide. Basically perpetrating it. They were going to have to bend over backwards to get anyone left of Biden to vote for them. And they unquestionably didn’t. They basically told us to go fuck ourselves. Again.

And they fucked themselves by doing so.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Your reasoning doesn't explain the male vs female vote difference. Kamala won essentially the same percentage of the female vote as Biden, but lost because she didn't capture male voters. Why would only male voters abandon her based on the policies you mentioned?

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago

Kamala actually retained more male Biden voters than female.

https://www.datawrapper.de/_/XUI7E/

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's the economy. They can scream the economy numbers are great but the people are feeling it differently at the grocery store, gas station, paying rent, etc.

[–] Blademaster00@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Right, economy. Both candidates ran on fixing it. But one wasn't a black woman.....

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"It's broken because of Biden and she should have fixed it during the last four years." It's stupid logic but that's what it came down to for some.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca -3 points 1 day ago

Women didn't buy that logic, but men did?

Harris won essentially the same percentage of women as Biden did, but lost entirely on the fact that fewer men voted for her (by a wide margin)

I'm pretty sure the simple explanation is right here, and it had nothing to do with the economy.