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Depression is a state of mind, not a physical illness. So yes, it is in your head, as much as any mental illness.
"A state of mind"
Back to school with you, kiddo
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_of_depression
This Wiki-page is mostly about the brain, not the rest of the body. But you are right that there is a close relation between body and brain. Following article explains some dependencies. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/brx2.43
The brain is a part of the body, this is like saying "There's a close relation between finger and hand."
You're literally dismissing the science and saying "I know better and depression isn't a disease".
So I'd agree there is a moron in this conversation, definitely.
"Science" is what gave us lobotomies, eugenics, and leaded gasoline. "Science" is what pathologized autism and homosexuality. Blindly trusting anything labeled as "science" is dangerous. Nobody is "dismissing" science here, FelixCress is just being skeptical, which they have every right to do.
"Blindly trusting science"
No-one is blindly trusting science.
I'm saying we know for a fact how depression affects your entire body.
"FelixCress is just being skeptical"
No, they're not. They're like a flat earther. They have absolutely no idea even of the basics of psychiatry.
This is why Trump won. People like you defending people like him. Not all opinions are equal.
You're making an argument about skepticism, but you trust a guy who doesn't have sources and doesn't reason his "it's just in your head" bullshit?
So anyone can claim literally anything they want and if anyone dares point out how we actually do know for a fact the Earth isn't flat, you'll get mad and start blaming those people for eugenics while defending some dipshit as "just skeptic" who's claiming the Earth is pancake shaped.
Fucking hell it's depressing just how strong the antiscience culture is.
Are you arguing just for the sake of argument? Nobody is denying that depression affects your entire body. If you're depressed, you're less motivated to get exercise, and insufficient exercise causes changes in your entire body. That's just one example. Do you really need a source to tell you that?
What the hell does trump have to do with this? What the hell is "antiscience culture"? Trump won because the majority of electoral votes were cast for him. Do you even know what the word "skepticism" means? If you're skeptic against claim X, that doesn't mean you automatically trust claim NOT X. You can be skeptical about both. Skepticism just means not accepting a claim is true until there is evidence that supports it. You know, like kind of like the scientific method.
"It's just in your head"
"Nobody is denting that depression affects your entire body."
This is what I mean. Youre defending this dipshit because you thought me rude. You're defending a willfully ignorant dolt who's literally saying "trustmebro" over me explaining how nothing is "just" in your head or your body because there is no such division in our bodies, and how depression can be induced extremely easily just by changing the physical environment of a person and limiting their nutrients.
So it's incredibly fucking reductive (and thus harmful misinfo) to say "it's just in your head". And you're defending a person who did that, because "he's just being skeptical".
You're like the right wing fuck nuts who try to read deeper meaning into Trump's demented babbling, saying what a genius he is while he's talking absolute gibberish..
He's not being skeptical. He's ignoring actual science and asserting his ignorant "trustmebro" facts. That's not skepticism ffs.
And I already explained how you're wrong — with sources.
So if I link a long study from a credible school or journal, something like this;
Personalized brain circuit scores identify clinically distinct biotypes in depression and anxiety
Or these
https://doi.org/10.1684%2Fmrh.2016.0407
https://doi.org/10.6133%2Fapjcn.201912_28%284%29.0003
https://doi.org/10.1176%2Fappi.neuropsych.11110345
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/psychological-medicine/article/div-classtitlepsychoneuroendocrinology-the-scientific-basis-of-clinical-practice-edited-by-o-m-wolkowitz-and-a-j-rothschild-pp-606-7395-isbn-0-88048-857-3-pb-american-psychiatric-publishing-inc-arlington-virginia-2003-div/DC8C00D758EC186F3AE9A041013AD41C
You'll read them, but won't read Wikipedia, because it's s worse source than the "trustmebro" style of "sourcing data" you use?
Have you actually read your sources?
I have, aye.
You're still going on about how when you google the term, you'll get a Wikipedia link and it says "mental disorder" right? I mean that completely means everything I proved about depression affecting your whole body wrong, without you needing to open any of them, doesn't it? /s
"It's just in your head" is the most naive quote I've read about depression in a decade.
Good. Now try to understand what you are reading.
To claim that depression is not a mental disorder is ridiculous. I read some bizarre claims here but that's taking the cake.
No-one has.
You're just too lazy to read any of that and you're too proud to admit what moronic bullshit it was to say "it's just in your head."
Your reading comprehension is garbage and you don't know the first thing about psychiatry.
You just did. By claiming that depression is not in your head.
Depression is a mental disorder and by the virtue of being a mental disorder is, quite literally, in your head.
No, you moron. I said that OBJECTIVELY it is in your head. Which is 100% correct claim - it is not in your arse, is it?
Now go back to your sandbox.
"Objectively, it's JUST in your head."
You said something moronic which I've proved completely wrong and instead of manning up and taking your words back, you dig in deeper to your stupidity, as if this was real life and you could get away with your bullshit.
You don't know a single thing about psychiatry, child.
Edit and also digestive issues are very much commonplace in mental disorders and poor nutrition can cause depression and in depression your entire body gets inflamed, so one could actually say depression is also in your arse
No, you moron. You CHOOSE to misinterpret what I said because you have a chip on your shoulder.
"I never said depression is just in your head"
"You're just misinterpreting me"
I don't want to sound like Matthew Perry here (RIP), but could you be any more childish?
The real question is, can you get more ridiculous?
Than directly quoting you and then quoting the part where you say you didn't say the thing you said?
It's gonna be challenging, I'll tell you that.
You just can't admit you said something which isn't true.
No, I am just still wondering if your reading comprehension can get any worse.
So by saying "OBJECTIVELY, depression is just in your head" you actually meant "well, depression isn't just in your head, it encompasses the whole body and we all understand about how mind-body dualism is a naive concept and everything in your body affects your mind and the other way around. depression creates inflammation through-out the body, robbing it of vital functionality required to maintain proper homeostasis, leading to a feedback loop worsening the situation"?
That's quite a lot of subtext for something that's prescriptively opposite of the comment.
Are you sure you're not just lying because you're ashamed of having said something incorrect? Because to me, that seems much more simple of an explanation.
Imagine me writing "the earth is flat" and then arguing that if you read that as if I thought the earth was flat, you're a moron, since I "obviously" meant that the Earth is of course actually an oblate spheroid. That would seem a tad silly, wouldn't it?
You have pretty much has written that the earth is flat, sweetie 😂
You don't understand what an example is? Dear lord.
You wrote that. It's bullshit. Harmful bullshit, I might add. But you're just not big enough of a person to admit to mistakes, even though we all make them.
Well, OBJECTIVELY depression is in your head, sweetheart. You still don't get it, do you?
Aww, is someone having to change their quote, because what they said was incorrect, but you can't admit to it so you pretend you didn't say what you actually did say?
You didn't say "depression is in your head". You said "Objectively, depression is JUST in your head."
That's something an overconfident moron with no understanding of psychiatry might say.
Are you a little bit slow?
Why do you keep replying?
You're just digging a deeper pit of hot shame.
You're pretending that you didn't say "Objectively, depression is JUST in your head?"
Or are you gonna pretend the "just" wasn't in there and you meant the opposite of what you said?
Can't answer any of these questions?
Maybe just stop replying if you can't admit to the silly things you said.
Why do you keep replying? You are just digging yourself a bigger hole.
I'm not the one who made a ridiculous claim which is 100% incorrect which goes "OBJECTIVELY, depression is just in your head :D", am I? ;>
Why can't you stand behind your own words? Perhaps you realise they were wrong and are a bit too ashamed to admit to it, but also you can't just take the L and leave it it.
Are you slow? Honest question.
For the very last time:.
Depression is a mental disorder. As such it is just in your head. Physical symptoms are symptoms, not a cause. Cause is JUST in your head.
Is it sinking in?
Your understanding of basic medicine is literally laughable.
As well as your rhetoric.
It's not "just in your head".
Mental disorders have many physical causes. Like I've explained to you several times already, no matter if you were the Buddha, by restricting your nutrients I could cause clinical depression in you.
To get any deeper is a waste of time with a pretentious pseudointellectual kid like you.
I can't even explain how black snd white your understanding is.
You even think "mental disorder" means "an illness that starts and exists in the mind". Utterly asinine. Mental disorders affect your mental health and functioning, whatever their cause.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_of_depression
You said something which isn't correct. Now you're crying because you're not man enough to own your mistakes.