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[–] BrundleFly2077@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Bronze Age 😋 #Ackchyually. Root narratives of Judaism and so the Abrahamic tradition from roughly 2000-1200 BCE

Ignore me.

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

Do you have a source for that? I would think the oldest passages of the old testament go back to the 900s at best. That's why the oldest historical figure the bible has is Pharaoh Shoshank. I'd be surprised to see if anything from before the Bronze Age Collapse made it in (besides being vaguely Semetic).

[–] wick@lemm.ee 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Yea I think you're more right, Judaism didn't kick off until the early iron age, and changed over time. But also the roots in late bronze age semetic culture are, if not significant, at least relevant depending on the conversation.

Source: theologians dunking on evangelicals on YouTube, and Wikipedia.

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

That makes sense. I also hear that the laws of the Old Testament take considerable amount of inspiration from the Laws of Hammurabi; which was developed earlier in the Bronze Age.

[–] BrundleFly2077@sh.itjust.works 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Right. Keref Hinnom is 600BCE, so a wee bit earlier than the actual reference to ol’ King Shawshank redemption. But there’s oral tradition _probably_ running as early as 1200BCE. - I was talking Abrahamic tradition (as per the dude I was replying to, so not explicitly Christianity… in which case you’re completely correct) 

https://dokumen.pub/the-abrahamic-religions-a-very-short-introduction-very-short-introductions-627-1stnbsped-9780190654368-0190654341-9780190654344.html - Cohen, Charles L., 'The Jewish matrix (1200 bce–70 ce)', The Abrahamic Religions: A Very Short Introduction”

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

probably running as early as 1200BCE

I could agree there was something "related" by 1200BCE at the EARLIEST. After all, Judahites, Edomites, and Qederites do not even show up till 900 BC; a few hundred years after the Amorite civilization begins its downward spiral (where some of their last traces are seen in the mixed ethnic group of Palmyra which has elements of Amorites, Arameans, and Arabs mixed together -- even though they are virtually identical cultures).