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[–] Squorlple@lemmy.world 37 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

What is the acceptable level of tragedy to impart upon a non-consenting progeny? I vote for zero

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 25 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

You'd have to be immortal, first. Most kids are gonna live to see their own parents pass.

Tragedy is a part of life.

It's easily avoidable tragedy, unaddressed by those who could do something about it, that's the problem.

Even worse, there's potentially extinction level tragedy happening right now, going unaddressed by those who can do something about it.

[–] Squorlple@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Tragedy is a part of life

Yes. And tragedy is categorically bad, and tragedies cannot be experienced by that which is not alive (i.e. non-sentient). Thusly, a total absence of (sentient) life would be a total absence of tragedies and vice versa; in other words, sentient life and tragedy are virtually biconditional. The continuation of sentient life and tragedy is wholly avoidable if the relevant capable parties were willing, and it can often be abated on a small scale on an individual basis.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Most kids though? I'm not going to go looking for stats but let's just say 95% of children are outliving their parents right now. Awkward sentence there. I mean parents who are dying today, 95% of them didn't outlive their children. I hope that makes sense. Yes that's not how statistics work, I'm trying to make a point.

What's an acceptable level to drop to before we say fuck this we're done having kids? I knew I didn't want kids when I was a kid, but I'm an outlier.

Let's say 85% is the number for kids born today. I believe that's already unacceptable. It's so unnatural.

I think the number is worse than that. The mass climate migration/water wars are going to really get moving in the 2040s if not earlier. I don't want to live through that. I definitely don't want a child to live through that.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Historically we've tolerated MUCH higher rates of infant and child mortality than we do today. People will keep having kids even if most of them will die.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Agreed. It's just now we have more options. At least we did before the Christian Nationalist Supreme Court made abortion illegal in half of the US. Even with this there are still more options and more education than in the distant past.

[–] bitcrafter@programming.dev 2 points 5 days ago

All of their children will die; it is only a matter of when.

Put another way: every time a parent gives birth, they are bestowing the irrevocable gift of one day experiencing dying to their child.

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

People will keep having kids even if most of them will die

"even if"? Biologically, knowing that most of your offspring are going to die is a reason to have as many kids as possible.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago

Operation human shield

[–] Aksamit@slrpnk.net 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

tolerated

I don't think many women had a choice in the matter.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago

"It's hell getting old" - my parents who had me knowing it's hell getting old.