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[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

how do they do regular updates? how do they do major version upgrades?

I think both of these is a big pain point.

[–] muhyb@programming.dev 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They're fine for a stable release I think. Nvidia is on 550 for example. For Major updates, ping me next year since I'll try it then, when new Leap arrived.

[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't understand, sorry. what I meant is the way you as the user do upgrades. you grab a terminal, elevate and run the system update command (zypper refresh, zypper update). major version upgrades are more complicated.

I can do this sure. But this is not noob friendly the slightest. and the YaST graphical tools don't make it much better either.
I won't say that the update system of windows is good because why the fuck does searching for updates minutes, and other reasons. but the UI of it is much better. it tells you what will it update, it has a button for starting the process, an automatism for it too. there's also a menu for the update history.

[–] muhyb@programming.dev 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Not sure when the last time you used openSUSE but the reason why I think it's noob-friendly is you don't need a terminal to update the system (talking about the KDE version here). When there is an update a notification pops up, you go to system tray, click on the icon and do the updates. You can even see a list what's been updating. It doesn't even ask a password, probably thanks to polkit.

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Could that be my issue? I've always done Gnome. WiFi is always broken. Network in general really.

[–] muhyb@programming.dev 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

To be fair, that sounds like a driver issue rather than a desktop environment. But you can try though.

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Could be. What blows my mind is that both my PC and laptop work on Fedora, PopOS, Endeavour, and Bazzite out of the box, but network is fully broken, LAN and WiFi.

[–] muhyb@programming.dev 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Does network work on those distros but not on openSUSE, or network doesn't work at all?

Maybe it's a switch issue? Can you try sudo rfkill and see what's the output?

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They work on any other distro I've tried. OpenSUSE is the only one that never gets an address. Static or DHCP, doesn't make a difference. I'll try again with your suggestion from a USB drive, since I don't remember all the things I tried that did nothing to help. Thanks.

[–] muhyb@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago

No problem.

Hmm, if there was a soft-block or a hard-block that would affect all the other distros as well. In that case, trying from a Live ISO would indeed help. Maybe this could be something related to Network Manager. Can you check interfaces with ip a?

Also check if Network Manager running with systemctl status NetworkManager. If it doesn't work, start it with sudo systemctl start NetworkManager, then chekc your connection again.