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After being harassed in multiple discord channels by powermod FlyingSquid the news mod blackbeard has shuttered his account and moved to bluesky.

https://ibb.co/cY44MgF

https://lemmy.world/u/Blackbeard

"The recklessness with which people downvote polite disagreements reminds me of all the worst parts of Reddit, and it proves to me that this isn't the social media savior I'd hoped it would be, and is instead just another echo chamber. I hope eventually lemmy.world (and the fediverse more broadly) can grow out of that, but some of the behavior I've seen on the inside from both mods and admins doesn't really inspire much confidence for that kind of evolution in the short term. "

FlyingSquid is the same mod who has the power to siteban people from lemmy.world

Why does lemmy.world keep having issues with their powermods and admins? Why do powermods get the ability to siteban their enemies from the largest instance?

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[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 35 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Flying Squid has a site wide reputation for being like this. Arguing/discussing anything with this person is like talking to a wall. Not to mention their overuse and abuse of authority.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 25 points 1 week ago (4 children)

If you want some insight, check this user's comments and sort by controversial. Then do the same for FlyingSquid.

Have some citations for that abuse of authority? OP alluded to abuse of authority by pointing out various powers FlyingSquid has, but in my mind very tellingly didn't actually provide any examples of abuse of authority. The screenshotted conversation, where a person with some site admin powers is reporting things as a regular user, and then when a mod gets really hostile and insulting with them, simply says "Oh, okay, I think I just won't participate in your stuff then, if my presence is unwanted," doesn't exactly paint the picture of some kind of power-mad petulant tyrant.

[–] webadict@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hey, yo, I got one! I once argued with FS about something where he continuously attempted to goad me, argued disingenuously, and acted childishly, and when I rightfully called him out on all of that, he removed my comment. It was a rather small abuse of power, but I have seen him act righteously indignant, especially when he is called out for acting like a child. He does not differentiate this from a personal attack, especially when he was very much responsible for escalating several interactions he has with others.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat -3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

What community did this take place in?

Edit: I think I found it.

https://lemmy.world/comment/12606768

https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&userId=1040702

It's sort of an ESH situation, and after that length of bickering I can't see why either of you continued the conversation. But I don't at all agree with your summary. It looks to me like he wanted to talk facts, you wanted to insult him and avoid the factual discussion, and he ended the conversation and then removed one comment afterwards where you started going after him personally ("insipid" "impetuous" "childish").

I'm not sure what you were trying to accomplish by refusing to answer his questions and instead inflaming the bickering, but ending the conversation and removing the escalation sounds like the right response to me.

[–] webadict@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Additionally, I called him childish because he was mocking others, and I pointed that out to him with his own quote.

He was not arguing in good faith, and to believe otherwise is to, frankly, underestimate him.

[–] webadict@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I did answer his questions. He didn't like the answers. They weren't either-or question, and it can, indeed, be answered with answers he doesn't like, because those questions were leading.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's clear FS has been doing this for some time and Blackbeard was getting sick and tired of it. Telling someone who regularly reports users to mind what they consider report worthy is something I imagine a lot of mods have to do. Saying "Well then, I guess I won't report anything if that's the way it's going to be" is pretty childish IMO. Especially considering FS is a mod themselves.

FS is just very combative in nature. I've seen it several times. They're not an easy person to have a discussion with.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So, no citations for abuse of power? Just that they had a disagreement with someone in Discord?

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean sure, here's an example. https://lemm.ee/post/44255924/15323391

I thought this one was ironic given the topic of conversation from this post.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 8 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Oh no! What happened after saroh was banned?

It would be silly if your case for "abuse of power" was that two months ago, FlyingSquid sent one rude message to one user because he made a mistake, so I know it's not that.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

People on Lemmy really seem to hate his guts, that much is apparent. Not just in this thread but everywhere else as well.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 12 points 1 week ago

I don't think they actually do. I think it's a very vocal contingent, which has at least a little bit of overlap with the "Kamala Harris is literally Hitler" contingent. Also, I don't participate enough in lemmy.world to be aware of what their normal moderation style is, but just based on this one instance it sounds like FlyingSquid unlike most LW mods is interested in taking some kind of action against the "Kamala Harris is literally Hitler" contingent.

Make of that what you will.

[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

The general message I’m getting in the comments here are pretty favorable to FS. He’s a good guy. And his private discussion should not have been made public.

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[–] pigeonholedpoetry@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There’s a mod log, but also from this post I just found out a bot is used to hide the admin/mod doing the actions.

[–] emeralddawn45@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah i cant believe the people defending them in this thread. I guess anyone can build up a little following of devoted supporters regardless of how childish and argumentative they behave. Really makes you think. Flying Squid does not come out of this looking good in any way.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Why not? flyingsquid simply wanted clarification on how to discern what something is misinformation and what ain't.

Blackbeard seems to not cut it as a mod.

[–] emeralddawn45@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lmao he was literally sea-lioning. Misinformation is also not something that needs to be clarified beyond blackbeards first statement which is "someones opinion that you disagree with, that is clearly just an opinion, is not misinformation". I think the person trying to silence dissenting opinions and then acting like a child when they get called out for it is the one who doesn't cut it as a mod, actually.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 7 points 1 week ago

yet the other mod (next to blackbeard) said it was fine what FlyingSqud was doing. So how to effing trust in this matter?

[–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Blackbeard was actually an excellent mod. I'm not picking sides on this fight, as it was resolved 2 months ago.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 4 points 1 week ago

Oh lol I failed to miss the dates. OP really tried to dig up dirt for whatever reasons.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Asking another mod to mind how they report things should not have been met with this kind of hostility. It was a very simple ask.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

But in what capacity should someone mind how to report things? Blackbeard failed to clarify, this escalation was on them.

Misinformation applies to statements of fact not opinion. This was the first thing said. Asking for further 'clarification' was done in bad faith and was just an attempt to obfuscate the issue and seem 'reasonable'. Its a tactic most intelligent adults can recognize and wont put up with, like when a child tries to pretend they dont know how to do their chores and just need you to show them 'one more time'. And then goes 'fine since i obviously cant do it right i just wont do it at all'

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The first message had Blackbeard clarify the difference between opinion and misinformation. It's pretty straightforward.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I agree with FlyingSquid here. That opinion that borders defamation, equating political runner with several people and even Hitler, is absolute report worthy.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Defamation is not against the rules and sounds like quite a bit of a stretch. No one on Lemmy is capable of defaming anyone even remotely that famous. It's clearly an example of frivolous reporting.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org -3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sure defamation is not against server rules. But it's against the law of atlesst in USA and my home country which makes it very much against server rules.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Again, defamation is a big stretch and the US laws don't matter in Lemmy. .world is hosted in Europe.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Did I only state US laws? No I didn't. My home country would be Germany.

Besides, do ai/web crawler understand that this piece of opinion was just an opinion and not take it as information?

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

https://www.carter-ruck.com/law-guides/defamation-and-privacy-law-in-germany/

The guiding principle is: Untrue factual statements are illegal. Expression of opinion is permissible up to the limit of “abusive criticism”.

In contrast expressions of opinion enjoy fundamental constitutional protection and are thus generally admissible.

The injunctive relief (i.e., an interim injunction), which is obtained by a court’s cease and desist order, may stop an unlawful publication that already took place or is imminent. An injunction is of specific practical importance and can provide fast and effective protection from imminent dam-age. The injunctive relief may address both unlawful texts and impermissible photos or film. It is used in the event of written reporting not only to protect a person against false allegations of facts but – in cases of privacy invasion – also against the expression of opinion. The court’s cease and desist order prohibits the publication of illegal content by a media company.

Yeah, not buying it. Relax buddy. A lot worse has been said online. People are allowed to express their opinions.

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[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago

FS is annoying and thinks every single time someone disagrees with them, its a personal attack and they must be aligned to some power.

Literally anytime someone used to just lightly criticize their favorite thing or person, FS would write blocks of text explaining why that opinion or fact was unjustified, and if you continued, you got banned.

FS is annoying and acts like they are better for just random things. Literally recently they said they're trying to leave the United States, and acting like its a noble sacrifice to leave the queer and BIPOC they once "defended and care about" behind. Said "Maybe I'll give some GoFundMes, I don't care."

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Patently false and wholly unsupported, too? Tell me you've had irrational run-ins with said mod that somehow refused to react how you wanted, you know without saying it word for word, right?

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What else does an old disabled white dude have time for?