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That was not my point. NATO is a stabilizing force. If you remove it, Russia and others will just go on the war path and more people will suffer..
I acknowledge the suffering of the Palestinians and think that needs to stop. In the past I argued that the war crime angle against Netanyahu should be picked up by the icc.. and now they ruled there is enough evidence to issue an arrest warrant.
But NATO does not support these atrocities. Countries in NATO do.. but how does the NATO organisation do that?
This seems to be of the same mold as "the UN does not do anything but talk" yeah.. the UN is a talking organisation.. that's their goal.. keep people in dialogue and serve as a platform to hopefully have member countries do stuff.
NATO is a defense alliance.. member countries not actively doing something against Israëls agression does not mean that it would be up to NATO to do something.
I'll try to put things into some historical perspective, as briefly as I can.
NATO was supposed to be a stabilizing force against the Soviet Bloc. During the cold war that was the rational.
Some claim that it was a tool to confirm and maintain US military hegemony and I tend to agree with this take. After approx 1993, through its interventions this started to be more and more obvious, especially to those living in the global South.
When did NATO go to war outside the Iraq war? I seem to have missed that.
NATO didn't go to war with Iraq, the coalition of the willing did. NATO got involved later on with a mission to train the Iraqi army but that's a footnote, also, not actual combat.
Afghanistan was a NATO war, triggered by the US invoking Article 5. NATO also intervened in Yugoslavia. Everyone was pretty much genociding everyone there, massacres left and right, but the Serbs had a disproportionate amount of military resources and were able to do systematic genocide which prompted the intervention. And please for your own sanity ignore anything Chomsky has to say about the thing he's still calling concentration camps refugee shelters. "CIA says something so the opposite must be true" brainworms.
Ok. Let's see where this goes:
Was there a genocide, organised by Serbs, against Bosnians. Yes or no.
And just for the record, yes, I'm trying to get you banned for genocide denial right now. This is a trap. Go on, do your worst.
Yeah that's right.. thanks.
Why "outside the Iraq war" you dishonest fuck? That alone is a pretty good example of how shitty the NATO is. The US have undue power in NATO vassal states due to them empowering fascists and killing left-wing politicians. I even had some of yee jingoist fucks try to defend Gladio lmao. Litteral terrorists.
It's not a benevolent alliance between partners, it's a vassal-overlord relationship, a protection racket and a subsidy to their weapon industry. Do not forget who empowered the russian fascists or the talibans in the first place.
Why do I only hear that kind of thing from Americans with their penchant for exceptionalism, or vatniks.
You could see just how much control the US has over NATO by the amount of states telling them to pound sand when it came to Vietnam, when it came to Iraq.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-National_Force_%E2%80%93_Iraq
NATO is literally in the "Allied" column lmao. Fucking liar.
NATO went in by request of the Iraqi government, to train their army and police. In 2004. The coalition of the willing invaded 2003. You're on the wrong wikipedia page.
What certainly can't be denied is that many countries who did participate did so to crawl up the US's arse. But that doesn't mean that the US is controlling them, it means that the US has a comfortable asshole.
Reagan, and the Pakistani ISI, respectively.
Well that's a constructive answer, and not even a good one. Maybe spend a little less time in your echo chambers and look at all factors of conflicts instead of US bad.. rest is irrelevant.
Shut the fuck up you jingoist twat. Shove your NATO into your butthole. As an european I want us to stop sucking that american cock like little submissive cunts.
I mean, the US have a law nicknamed the haag invasion act. In any other situation, it would be an act of war, but dutchies are little cowardy idiots they like to deepthroat uncle sam's dick.
That's the thing with atlantist turds. They all like to jerk off on nationalism until Biden's in town and then it's all "gimme your massive american mantwat daddy".
I think you are a troll..and a badly mannered one at that. Arguing against pax americana just means you have not been paying attention the last 50 years.
I'd nuance all this.. with it could have been better, the 1st world did a lot of nasty things and and and.. but under a USSR victory.. everyone would have been way more fucked.. just look at the hellholes that modeled after the USSR and evolved from there.. but yea.. all the US's fault amirite?
Tell that to the people who had family butchered in Bucha, or the soldiers that came from Russian imprisonment looking like WW2 concentration camp survivors with horror stories about their abuse at the hands of Russians.
War is horrible, but supporting a country filled with people that do not want to be Russians is not a bad deed.
Even the people in the occupied territories.. all that we need to negotiate.. how did that work out for the world? Not standing up to tyrants just means they will do more. So as long as Ukranians say they want to fight Russia to defend their autonomy we have a moral and ethical obligation to give them what they need to win.
But thanks for wishing death and harm upon me and my loved ones.
Edit: thanks moderator :) his posts were over the line.
Is the post-1993 thing NATO stepping in to stop genocide in Yugoslavia?