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Women and LGBTQ+ people take up guns after Trump’s win: ‘We need to protect ourselves’
(www.theguardian.com)
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How many innocent people died in those wars? It's not very nice of you to be willing to put their lives on the line like that.
Oh? Now it’s a discussion about who should be sacrificed and for what. Freedom always has a cost. I never removed myself from the possibility. But right now, the royal “we”, seem to be sacrificing the minority, the different, the poor, the non christian and it gets worse every day. Freedoms are slipping, corporations get stronger, and standards of living and hope for the future fades. This will only accelerate. Arguing to arm oneself for personal protection but not collective action will doom all, but the chosen, to be picked off one by one.
So when are you going to start shooting?
When it’s needed. I don’t see a path that prevents tyranny or revolution, but that doesn’t mean there is none. You say that people should arm themselves, and i agree, the main difference being what we see as the threat i guess. But I take inspiration from the Black Panthers. I believe they were right and righteous in their actions, no matter what was taught in schools. And you know they were effective, because the state conspired against them and they got the NRA TO ARGUE FOR MORE RESTRICTIVE GUN LAWS because they have a certain power dynamic they want to uphold.
I don't remember the Black Panthers starting a guerilla war like what you're advocating for.
When is this guerilla war going to be "needed?"
I’m not saying a gorilla war is needed. I am saying collective action is needed.
The reason i bring up gorilla warfare is because of the “there is no point in fighting tyranny because it’s too hard” argument. in the recent wars verses gorilla warfare and insurgency, it has been an absolute shit show boondoggle for the last 3 wars we have been in. And that is with the advantage of untouchable logistics, the world’s largest, and most secure, military industrial complex, top of the line weapons and training, and the homeland being unreachable.
Either way it’s best if those we care about own and become proficient in fire arms.
You're saying collective action with firearms is needed. Which, as I already showed, is probably doomed to failure.
You haven’t showed anything. You asserted. And i brought up the black panthers as the counter argument.
It was not a counter argument because the black panthers were not fighting back against a genocidal regime, which is what queer people are facing. If Jews marched around Nazi Germany with guns, they would have just been picked off by snipers from rooftops.
Are you saying if the lgbtq community formed a militia and walked around american streets, they would be gunned down by snipers? We are not at that point yet, so a militia like the Black Panthers is needed. But if we are at the point where the government is sniping its citizens, then we would need an insurgency.
If by, "we are not at that point yet," you mean that it's 1932 and Hitler is going to take power in two months and then it will be too late, sure.
Then, as I said, it will be too late. There were plenty of insurgencies against the Nazis. They didn't work.
It would not be too late if at this point, before snipers starts shooting, that militias start to form and the minority arm up and train now. That’s why i am pushing this. And it’s never too late to fight for freedom. Just because the insurgencies against the nazis didn’t “win” doesn’t mean it wasn’t worth doing. The point of the insurgency is to “not lose“ and every life saved was worth the effort.
Okay, so who are you gathering up to train? Because just telling people your plan on social media and expecting it to happen in two months is not especially realistic.
That’s a good question. I guess the start is finding like minded people, or convincing others to be receptive of the ones that form if not get them actuated themselves. So what i am attempting now. There was that group of armed protestors that stand watch over planned parenthood clinics. They satisfy a price of the puzzle
You're not going to be able to train those like-minded people in military tactics over the internet.
What are your own experience in military tactics anyway? You don't seem to know how to spell 'guerilla' since you keep spelling it like the animal, so I'm not so sure you have much.
I generally have you in high regard here on Lemmy. We have had discussions in the past and i made a concerted effort to not attack you. I have been civil. So i will have to ask you to look past my difficulties in spelling, and my constant battle against auto correct. I have military training, but they are not necessary to effectively organize, or train in fire arms.
So you have no actual ability to train people to fight in this revolution of yours and you have not gathered anyone together. I assume you haven't raised any funds or stockpiled any armor (let alone weapons). You have two months to achieve your goal. And yet this sounds achievable to you?
I don’t think a Revolution in two month’s is a good idea. Again at this stage, militias such as the Black Panthers would be much more effective.
You are attempting to discredit my position by setting arbitrary unrealistic expectations, and pointing out my incapability in pulling that off.
You are not any longer arguing against the principle of my argument. It would take time, and the first steps is to lay the ground work for it to happen such as, convincing people of the need and effectiveness of militias.
Were you the one who is said they were leaving the states due to expected tyranny?
All you have is two months. Then the genocide begins. Sorry. If you wanted armed revolution to happen, it's too late. They're already building the concentration camps.