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The 2019 ICE raids on Mississippi poultry plants, which detained 680 workers, have left the immigrant community in Morton scarred and fearful of renewed workplace raids under Trump, who plans mass deportations.

Residents recall the trauma, with children left stranded and families torn apart. Local businesses, reliant on immigrant workers, suffered economically, while poultry plants quickly resumed operations.

Activists and nonprofits are preparing families for potential detentions, emphasizing the economic and social impacts of such raids.

Many undocumented workers fear another round of disruptions and family separations.

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[–] kava@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've worked all over the rust belt / bible belt in a little over a dozen states doing large construction projects. At least for my industry, the vast majority of the laborers are illegals. They don't disappear after getting paid. I've worked with some regularly for over 5 years.

From what I've heard from people in California, your experience is not typical

[–] ZK686@lemmy.world -2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So, if those illegals are removed (because you know, they're here illegally) are you saying that those construction projects won't get done? All construction will seize to exist? Nothing will get built? I mean, this is they way the left makes it sound... as if, we DON'T support illegal immigration, our country is doomed... and it's ridiculous.

[–] kava@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

are you saying that those construction projects won’t get done

No, but it would both

a) slow down significantly

b) costs would rise significantly

The issue is it's hard to find laborers. Americans simply don't work as hard as immigrants. I've been doing this for about a decade now and that's one thing I've learned. You don't hire Americans to dig holes. They will work half as hard, complain 5 times as much, and leave as soon as they find something better.

But Pablo and Juan will work with a smile on their face, don't care about being nomads working from state to state without complaints, and they'll work Saturdays and even Sundays if you let them. You gotta basically force them to take days off.

Low-skill Americans prefer easy jobs like working at a cashier where they can stand around all day. That's what they're good for. Skilled Americans do office jobs, management, supervision, etc.

So let's say we get rid of all illegals. During a time where we already have a labor shortage, we would eliminate 10~15 million people from the economy that basically fuel key parts of our economy.

What would happen? An exacerbation of the labor shortage and inflation. Large construction companies would see their costs jump up. Productivity would lower. Which would mean less demand for construction materials. Which would lead to price instability - aka more inflation. Small businesses would be most effected.

That's just construction. We would see effects in many industries such as landscaping or agriculture as well.

I mean, this is they way the left makes it sound… as if, we DON’T support illegal immigration, our country is doomed… and it’s ridiculous.

First, I want you to remember being pro-illegal immigration is a right-wing capitalist policy. Ronald Reagan gave amnesty to all illegals. His economic advisor, Milton Friedman, advocated for open borders.

The reason being because immigration is essentially an extension of economic policy. The labor market is a market like any other. The more regulations you put, the worse it gets for business. Regulations include, for example, restricting the importing of labor or artificially removing labor from the population (aka mass deportations)

Second, I would like to remind you that Obama deported more people than Trump did.

This entire conversation has nothing to do with left versus right. Both parties are more or less in agreement on the general trends. There has been no significant immigration reform for decades, even though there have been multiple instances of GOP majorities and DNC majorities. Why?

Because of the reasons I outlined above. It's actually really beneficial to the economy for us to have an underclass of cheap labor that has less rights than everyone else. It's essentially a mini and voluntary slavery. Sort of like how Dubai imports Indians. Lots of pros, very little cons.

Thirdly and lastly, it's only been since 2016 or so that we have seen the anti-illegal and anti-immigrant rhetoric in general start increasing. You want to know why?

Because our society has been taken over by populists. Our country is in its death throes and vultures are already picking at the corpse.

This once free market economy that produced the strongest country in the world is being destroyed bit by bit. They want to restrict the market as much as possible. First, you put in tariffs restricting the free flow of goods. Then you artificially freeze the labor market.

The end goal? An economy designed for only the largest corporations who are allied with those in power. That is what we are becoming and they are accomplishing that by pulling the wool over your eyes.