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[–] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

What if Sweden built transmission between its north and south? Then it wouldn't have to point fingers against a party the Swedish ruling party doesn't like.

Edit: Yeah, there might be truth to the pricing scheme, but pointing at nuclear power phaseout is not ok.

[–] Tobberone@lemm.ee 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So you want Sweden to suboptimize it's energy grid so that Germany doesn't have to take responsibility for their own electricity needs? It's not the solution to this problem.

And, as others are saying: there are other projects in the north of Sweden aiming to use that energy.

[–] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, you are right. I want Europe to have a resilient grid. I assume Germany would even pay for most of the costs of the transmission infrastructure, given that they consume a lot. I think in a mixture of storage and grid expansion, optimising for grid stability is important. Sweden might want to have a plan for dark, dry, coldrums as well.

[–] Tobberone@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

Had it only been Sweden, as before the eu-directive changed the order of things, the grid would have been more sufficient.

There are no lack of issues in the Swedish grid, but they are compounded by the fact that right now it tries to solve the problem of insufficient grid infrastructure in Norway, Finland and lack of power production and electricity areas in Germany. Last year when the oil power plant had to be fired for 3 days, it was because of insufficiencoes in the polish network...

In fact, by the look of it, the Swedish grid is the only grid in the area that actually works as it says on the can.

[–] Iceblade02@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

There are already planned industrial projects in Northern Sweden that'll wipe out the surplus. Hence transition lines won't solve the problem, and neither will variable renewable sources (solar, wind) since the problems arise when it's cold, dark and windless.

Fact is that Sweden carries its weight and more when it comes to clean electricity generation. We are one of the largest per-capita exporters of electricity, despite the disastrous energy policies of the former left-wing government. Germany has to get their shit together and stop bullying the smaller european economies with their incompetence.

Sweden, unlike Germany, is highly electrified, and vulnerable people are literally being run out of their homes by these power prices.

[–] sith@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 day ago

That's what's happening. But it takes time. And it won't really change anything unless the Swedish and/or the EU energy market or pricing model is reformed.

If the system isn't changed the demand for Swedish fossil free electricity will just go up in Germany and Denmark, since their energy is much more expensive. Swedish households will pay for lower energy prices in Germany and in Denmark, plus greater margins for private and public Swedish energy producers. And the households only get more expensive energy in return. It's just a really bad deal for Swedish households at the moment.

The only good thing with the current situation is that Germany uses less fossil fuels and that it might become slightly cheaper to import German goods, because of the larger energy supply.