Antiwork
A community for those who want to end work, are curious about ending work, want to get the most out of a work-free life, want more information on anti-work ideas and want personal help with their own jobs/work-related struggles.
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Date Created: June 21, 2023
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The Anti-Work Library 📚
Essential Reads
Start here! These are probably the most talked-about essays on the topic.
- The Abolition of Work by Bob Black (1985) | listen
- On the Phenomenon of Bullshit Jobs by David Graeber (2013) | listen
- In Praise of Idleness by Bertrand Russell (1932) | listen
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Which why I find humor in how now (at least in CA) Someone working in McDonald's makes more then say, an associate teacher at a preschool. (Agian no diss on fast food workers, just a little humour by the same logic people put more care into thier burger then thier kid)
Jobs in things like teaching and nursing are considered the caring professions, with the assumption that people who go into them do so to help people rather than make money, and thus are a soft touch to extract profits from. It is considered normal for teachers to be paid poverty wages, have to buy classroom supplies from their own funds and to lose money over their career, because, hey, if you didn’t want to sacrifice yourself for making the world better or whatever, you should have gone into finance instead.
sigh yeah....
I realize as a community we really do put more care into our burgers then our children...
Yeah, people retort, it's not a job to make money, if you mention the bottom pay and parents who treat us as glorified babysitters or those who think they don't have to raise their children because child development is a magical art and all we do is "abra cadbra healthy SEL".
And like some aort of masochist too many stick to or get into this field (I mean what kind of sucker still pursues a multi-subject credential, lol, me) because it's true, we genuinely care for the children and want to them to grow.
Yet another problem with our society, and ofc the only time systematic change will occur is when it's tio late and even the most bleeding heart nurses, teachers etc have been forced out.
In Ontario, teachers are paid a respectable wage (six figures is fairly easily attainable for a full-time teacher) with solid pension, vacation, and benefits (the association managing the teacher's pension is one of the biggest single stock investors in the country).
People complain that "just teachers" shouldn't be pulling 100k+ salaries all the time, but the thing is, being a teacher requires about 6 years of post-secondary here, a bachelor's degree + teachers college. On top of that, there are continuing education requirements. Usually once I explain to people that someone with 6 years of post-secondary will often be getting $100k+ in private industry and thus teacher's salaries are simply being competitive to that, they generally are somewhat understanding.
My wife had to quit teaching preschool because anything pays more.
And it's nothing new. A 3rd grade teacher of our oldest kid back in the mid-2000s was excellent. One of those people who were born with the natural ability to teach kids. She quit later that year after only a few years in the job because the pay was terrible and not meeting cost of living.
All of history is not America for the past 20 years.
Okay. So if you mean that teaching at one time paid fairly and was seen better as a profession, then all the more reason to question why it's not now. I was just adding my own experience of people being forced out of teaching because it's not sustainable as an income. Which while may not have been true in the whole of human history, has been true long enough to change the very nature and image of teachers in the US.
I could have gone further back. I remember as a kid in the 70s and teachers still having to buy supplies because the budget wasn't enough. But again, that's not ALL of history, so...
Jobs that “help” people or are considered “fun” aren’t considered real jobs and those don’t deserve real wages.
Especially if they’re predominately female employees.