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[–] lowleveldata@programming.dev 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Poverty is inherited and it's impossible to pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Black people in America are poor because they used to be slaves

That's capitalism's fault. Poor white kids would face the same issues.

Black people are under-represented in universities, so the university scientists building facial recognition apps aren't building them to work on black people

That's just a lack of data points and not a system constructed by anyone. The data points should be increasing naturally.

Schools teach their lessons in english. Multilingual students who don't speak english at home often have a disadvantage in lessons that will be felt their whole lives

It'd be awesome if we can just solve language barriers generally. Before we can do that having a single official language in working situations seems to be not avoidable for productivity.

Children of illegal immigrants may have never received identification such as a birth certificate and it can be hard to get this as an adult

Not related to racism.

Whenever the police use robotic and computer systems to detect criminals the AI ends up racial profiling and harassing black people

Is this happening? I think it's straight out wrong to predict criminals with AI trained on previous data.

All in all I agree that many of the existing systems sucks but I don't think it's helpful to link every problem to racism. Disclaimer: I'm not black or white

[–] ShittyKopper@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s just a lack of data points and not a system constructed by anyone. The data points should be increasing naturally.

But why is the data lacking in the first place?

[–] lowleveldata@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lack of public black faces as suggested by previous comment? That's not a "system" tho, which would imply something like a policy to reject black faces as learning data.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

You're way too smart for this site, I thought reddit echo chambers were bad

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s capitalism’s fault. Poor white kids would face the same issues.

True, but that's not what the discussion was about. Black kids are disproportionately poorer than white kids, and that's because they inherited inequalities from the past, which came about because of slavery and systematic racism.

It’d be awesome if we can just solve language barriers generally. Before we can do that having a single official language in working situations seems to be not avoidable for productivity

What you are suggesting is a lingua franca, which is already the norm in multilingual countries. That's quite different from having a colonial language dominating over the others.

[–] heird@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Lingua franca is a language that 2 groups speaking a different language both understand, English is a lingua franca.

It makes sense to teach in 2 languages when bit percentages of the population speak them, in the case of America teaching native American language would be pointless for the children aside from preventing the language from dying

[–] bane_killgrind@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Is this happening

There are a bunch of articles about it. Here's one about it in general

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/15/technology/artificial-intelligence-google-bias.html

And one with a few examples of ai used in criminal justice

https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/5-algorithms-that-demonstrate-artificial-intelligence-bias/

[–] bane_killgrind@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Is this happening?

https://lemmy.world/post/3768607

More badly trained AI.