I recently took up Bazzite from mint and I love it! After using it for a few days I found out it was an immutable distro, after looking into what that is I thought it was a great idea. I love the idea of getting a fresh image for every update, I think for businesses/ less tech savvy people it adds another layer of protection from self harm because you can't mess with the root without extra steps.
For anyone who isn't familiar with immutable distros I attached a picture of mutable vs immutable, I don't want to describe it because I am still learning.
My question is: what does the community think of it?
Do the downsides outweigh the benefits or vice versa?
Could this help Linux reach more mainstream audiences?
Any other input would be appreciated!
Do you have any examples of the kind of "tinkering" you couldn't do with an immutable distro? I haven't run into any restrictions after more than a year.
.... why would you want to install packages with
sudo? The proper way is to install them (as a user, not root) usingrpm-ostree, which will layer the packages on top of the image, automatically installing them for every future system as well.You haven't actually looked into immutable distributions, have you?
I keep hearing this, but people never elaborate on those "other reasons". Did I miss where you mentioned them?
You mentioned storage, but AFAIK atomic Fedora doesn't use more space (unless you keep multiple versions for rolling back).
Of course it's ok! You do whatever you want. Though I'd like to clear up a couple of misconceptions:
You don't have to, happens automatically.
Fair, though you don't have to use them at all - you could run everything in a distrobox.
This really depends on what system files you mean. Anything in
/etc/? Fully writable. Everything is configurable either in your home directory or in/etc/, so I haven't run into any issues with not being able to modify something - and if you do run into that, you always have distrobox.Don't need to, you have distrobox for that.
That's fair. It's been very small for me, and the issues have helped me become a better Linux developer, but it does bring its own problems in some cases.
That's the thing, I hear this a lot, and I just don't know what the big changes are. I installed Kinoite, set up a distrobox, and have been smooth sailing since - all my previous installations have had far more issues, and I just haven't really changed much (besides switching from Ubuntu to Fedora, but I'm happy about that, fuck Canonical).
All that's totally fine! I wasn't trying to convince you. I just don't want newbies to get discouraged by reading "all this stuff is non-standard and you can't tinker and do stuff". Because you can, it's the same stuff.
Definitely not, this kind of system is perfect for newbies. You have a distrobox you can break all day long, and your main system stays nice and working.
That's what I mean. You put it like it's incredibly complicated and strange, when there's pretty much only upsides. Do you have any idea how much time I've spent on various distributions to debug NVidia issues? Everything is working perfectly now, and it has for months. I've never had this good of a Linux experience.
Hey! So I have no experience with the Arch-based immutable systems (beyond my own Steam Deck), but it seems like they don't support layering the way Fedora does with ostree. The easiest solution for you would be to create a script that you can execute after every update - that should at least keep the work to a minimum. If that's not good enough Bazzite is probably your best bet. I really like the atomic Fedora systems, but I can understand not wanting to re-do your setup if it's working well!
That sucks! Which handheld is it, if I may ask?