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Just like the "men would do anything but go to therapy" meme, Americans would rather install malware on their phones than get out to vote.
Except this was never about "malware" or anything else.
Republicans first wanted to ban it because younger people were getting politically organized on it, and they weren't voting republican.
Then it was the main platform where news of Gaza was getting out, because American owned media, social media included, have always towed the line with Israel and anything that shows them in a negative light is just automatically considered "antisemitic".
Because of Gaza, Democrats jumped on trying to ban it with Republicans because neither side liked that information was being spread and they had no power to suppress.
If they actually cared about security or the privacy of citizens they would make regulation that applied to all social media, US included. There is nothing Ticktok does that Facebook, Twitter, and all the rest don't have a long history of doing. And there was the whole Cambridge Analytica thing where it was found Facebook sold user data and gave access to a foreign group that actively was using Facebook to influence the 2016 election. If China wanted data on US citizens there is nothing stopping them from just buying it from American companies like they already do.
Also, Twitter was specifically doing things to help prop up Trump this last time at the behest of Musk who was not born in the US and pretty much fits the bill of "foreign agent trying to undermine American values", except that he's trying to undermine the people and the push for equality and human rights, which most politicians don't care about.
The US banned Huawei, is close to banning TP-Link, so there is definitely a fear over Chinese spyware. It's a very real risk, just like Russian anti virus software (Kaspersky) had been banned recently.
But even if you don't believe it's about spyware TikTok should still be banned for economic reasons. China basically blocks all non Chinese socialmedia apps, so why would we accept Chinese social media? The playing field should be equal, banning TikTok makes it more equal.
I don't really believe Gaza has much to do with it, you can find the same content on YouTube or X or other platforms.
You talk as if your vote means shit.
If voting didn't do anything then they wouldn't be trying so hard to suppress it.
>never votes because he doesn't think his vote matters
>awful politician gets elected because he didn't vote
See guys? Voting doesn't work!
That’s why we have trump.
We have Trump because of Democrats, specifically Hillary Clinton and her pied Piper strategy.
So, it had nothing at all to do with the three million people single issue third party voting and the almost ninety million people not voting at all?
See, you are offering an opinion on why. I’m offering facts on why. Big difference.
Either you all have to admit that your single issue protest vote was VERY effective in sending a message that you won’t support someone that you don’t like- thus, helping trump get elected, or….
You have to admit that your protest vote failed miserably, and your message fell flat without ever being noticed and your third party vote was wasted- thus not helping to pad the numbers of the only person that could have kept him from being elected.
Which will it be?
Because we all heard all of the threats from the third party protest voters prior to the election. You all were going to send a clear message… so tell me- do you believe it was it heard, or not?
I didn't cast a protest vote. A protest vote is one that is cast against something kind of like Democrats voting against Trump. The outcome that we got is 100% the result of Democrats thinking that they are any different than Republicans your party answers to the same bankers. The same CEOs the same donor class that the Republicans do for the same and means
That kind of talk is why Trump won.
As a Canadian, I honestly believe your election was rigged and has been since 2000.
Corporations own your country, it's very obvious. The only way you can influence your government at this point is collective action which will never happen cause you have iPhones to use to get your anger out.
I’m not disputing your theory, in fact I think it’s likely but how do you think they’re actually doing it?
like this
Diabolical!
In swing states, yes. But for the majority of americans not in a swing state, their gripes are at least somewhat valid thanks to gerrymandering.
Gerrymandering has been a huge problem for a while, what makes you think this time it played a pivotal role in Trump's victory? If that was the case, he would have won the electoral vote but not the popular vote, but he won the popular vote, first Rep pres to do so in 20 years apparently. It helped secure past Rep presidencies, but doesn't to have done so this time around.
Democrats is why Trump won.
Harris: 75,012,178 votes
Trump: 77,302,416 votes
Source
3 million people voted third party, nearly 90 million people didn’t vote at all- and you blame democrats….
Source
Yes. Democrats alienating the people whose votes they need to win is absolutely a democrat problem.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes
Except it's genocide
If it wasn't for Hillary's pied Piper strategy, Trump never would have been elevated with billions of dollars in free media to become president. If it wasn't for Kamala Harris embracing right-wing politics and every policy of bidens that the public opposed, we wouldn't have Trump right now. Democrats are toxic poison and are their own worst enemy
Riiiiight. It’s always something other than what the numbers show.
Lack of resistance is why Trump won. Democrats are part of that, but the blame hardly lies on them alone.
Votes do matter, they're just not enough on their own.
It's hard to claim lack of resistance when the entire party was shifting to the hard right trying to attract that hard right vote. They cozied up to war criminals, cops zionists and the right wing while blowing right-wing dog whistles there was no resistance
Oh you're one of those...
Are you seriously in a communist space advocating a vote for capitalist parties?
When the options are "capitalist party that will kill more people" and "capitalist party that will kill fewer people," the answer is obvious
You could not vote, or you could vote third party, but when 97% of the country agrees that one of these two capitalists is gonna win, you have to try and make sure that the less evil one does
Lesser evil is bullshit that liberals tell themselves because they know what they support is evil. There is no lesser evil.
And by all measures the party that you're saying is killing lesser people helped kill an absolute shit ton of Palestinians the last 2 years.
You sold your soul to vote for a genocide and you didn't even win. You are not less evil. Doesn't matter who you're comparing yourself to.
Do you really think acceleratioism is not the dumbest fucking idea?
How's that incrementalism working out for you? Your party implied that small baby steps would march to the left, your party is barely to the left of trump. You were advocating and pushing for your own country's shift to the right and further and deeper into fascist authoritarianism. Your party has shifted from people that are building houses for the homeless around the world to embracing cops and zionists on their party stage while blowing Republican dog whistles. Hoping to get the Republican vote while welcoming war criminals with open arms into the party
First: not my party
Second, how's your apathy/voting for a third party in a system where that literally hurts your own goals working for you?
Coward. Liar.
Not too bright are you? Nuance seems to not be your strong suit.
You're a coward because you don't take responsibility for your actions. You're a liar who says they don't support or defend the democratic party when you support and defend them in the only way they care about.
And now I can say you're an idiot because of this tepid, rote reply. Le epic internet insult argument. Smarm smirk smarm.
Don't confuse refusing to vote for a party that does not represent the working class as apathy. That's like telling a Democrat they're apathetic because they won't vote for a Republican