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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

I wouldn't give him straight As, but I acknowledge he tried his best. Netanyahu felt pressured enough to come over and beg US Congress directly to stop restricting weapons shipments. Biden sent a naval fleet to provide aid to Gaza directly, even going so far as to construct a pier for shipments.

Losing Israel as a strategic base of operations amid aggression from Iran allied with Russia and China amid their aggressive expansion was simply never an option.

On several occasions white house staffers gave statements that Biden would swear expletives at the Israeli administration for doing high profile attacks on civilian encampments.

The USA vetoed many ceasefire agreements in the UN but also had their own ceasefire agreements vetoed by Russia and China.

[–] Iceman@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Nethanyahu did't beg. Congress gave him longest standing ovation in living memory. Biden did nothing but bend over while Nethanyahu walk all over him, proclaiming that he preferred Trump the entire time.

Loosing any bases where never on the table. Biden allowed this to happen by ether incompetence or malice. Torpedering any premises of a rule based international order in the process.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Half of congress didn't even show up for it.

[–] Iceman@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago

That is simply not true.

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago

My man here pulling out every trick to minimise the support with billions of dollars to a genocide. "Poor wittle Joe, the president of the most powerful country in the world, had no alternative but to send millions to genocide. But he cursed while doing so, so it's OK actually". Fuck that shit

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

the problem with that argument is Israel doesn't give a goddamn about Russia and China, or the West, and their conflict with Russia and China. they wont take a side against them, they wont do anything other than work to secure their own position in the Levant.

Ukraine has been asking for Israeli help since day 1 and Israel has left them on read. Israel doesn't give a fuck about what anyone does in the world, only about what they can do for Israel, Israel isn't an ally. its basically a co-belligerent with a supremely effective lobbyist movement.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 23 hours ago

But Israel is directly opposed to Iran who funds militarization of Hamas. Iran is allied with Russia and China, and opposes the USA heavily (although there have been high and low points in the relationship).

It is a proxy war.

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My man here pulling out every trick to minimise the support with billions of dollars to a genocide. "Poor wittle Joe, the president of the most powerful country in the world, had no alternative but to send millions to genocide. But he cursed while doing so, so it's OK actually". Fuck that shit

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

After next week we're going to see what support of a genocide really looks like.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Israeli givernment just ratified the ceasefire.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Israeli's announced the deal on wednesday and then:

"Israel appeared to ramp up its strikes Wednesday evening, killing more than 70 people between the ceasefire deal being announced and Thursday morning, according to the Hamas-run Gaza Ministry of Health and the enclave's Civil Defense rescue agency. Both agencies told CBS News that the dead including 21 children and 24 women."

Also, there are still ongoing hostilities with Lebanon.

But hey, since the Ceasefire happened before Trump took office, does that mean we're going to give credit to Biden for ending the war in Gaza? Are you going to thank him?

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

I support charging and penalizing Biden in the severest extent possible for genocide. Where you spend post after post kissing his rear. I often wonder if you're being paid.

In the end I guess we'll both just have to be content with Biden going down as an epic failure and complete idiot who got away with a genocide, betrayed his party, and threw his country to the fascists.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 41 minutes ago

People like you are the reason the USA got to this point in the first place.

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Dude. The genocide has been ongoing during Biden administration, stop finding excuses, and "orange man worse", we know that Trump sucks, that's not a defense of a genocide supporter

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Joe Biden doesn't control israel.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Joe Biden didn't have to sell weapons to your single favorite person for your single favorite activity.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world -1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Again, I dont think he did perfectly, I have in the past even said the USA should intervene in Israeli politics and depose Netanyahu, but I also realise the strategic value of Israel, what is at stake in the middle east, and that Israel could disappear almost over night if they showed any weakness to their neighbors.

Cutting off all support simply wouldn't happen.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago
[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The genocide couldn't happen without the military, diplomatic and economic support of the USA (and its vassal European states) to Israel.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 23 hours ago (1 children)
[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 0 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

For fuck's sake, the US threatened military invasion of Greenland and best EU ca do is say "oh, trump, stop it uwu".