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[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml -1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

You tried to save them by supporting the person exterminating them?

If you're being sincere right now, you're the biggest fucking fool on the planet.

I don't think you're being sincere. I have your actions to judge you by. I think you're a nazi.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

This comment thread was a massive waste of time. I'll sum it up: AntiOutsideAktion believes that trying to mitigate harm makes one complicit in it, and I think that calling people nazis for trying to mitigate harm is stupid. I offered paragraphs and paragraphs of reasoning for my position, and AntiOutsideAktion offered literally nothing

What actions are you judging me by? The only thing I've done is vote for Harris.

A third party was never going to win 2024, and there is no number of absurd accusations you can throw out on the world's most obscure social network to change that. The average American likes the Republicans or the Democrats. I would love for a third party to be a realistic option, but when polling indicates they'll account for approximately 1% of the vote, I'm going to act accordingly. When you got to the polling place, you had to think of the possible outcomes of your vote. You knew that a third party would not win. If you voted for one, you have done the same thing as not vote at all, because again, the average American likes the Republicans or the Democrats. The choice was between Trump and Harris, and you decided that you'd rather let Trump win than vote for Harris.

I know you communists hate the trolley problem, but it really is analogous here. You're sitting there drawing a new track with crayons and pretending to try and save all the people tied to the tracks, while the grownups are trying to pull the lever to actually reduce the amount of harm done. Then you call us fucking nazis for not playing make-believe alongside you.

I don't think you're sincere. I think you're lashing out because over the last few months, you've seen just how bad a Trump presidency is going to be, and you want desperately to believe that Harris would have been just as bad.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

What actions are you judging me by? The only thing I’ve done is vote for Harris.

Right. You're a nazi. You explicitly and materially support a genocide. You're fucking scum.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

Can you explain how trying to prevent an ongoing genocide from expanding makes me a nazi? Can you expound on how a vote is the same thing as explicit and material support for the worst aspects of a politician? Can you acknowledge that the average American likes the Republicans or the Democrats, and so the only possible winners of this election were Trump or Harris? Can you acknowledge that my position, that one should cast their vote in a way that is most likely to do the least harm, is valid?

Can you offer any actual rebuttals if you disagree with me?

Of course, you can't. I'm pretty sure you're a literal bot, trained to just call people nazis. I hope you're not a real person, because it must be a sad existence if you are

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world -1 points 10 hours ago

Your party wouldn't even acknowledge that a genocide was occurring.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Can you explain how trying to prevent an ongoing genocide from expanding makes me a nazi?

Acting like words have no meaning and that they are simply your playthings that your opponent must take seriously is classic nazi shit. You voted for limitless unconditional support for genocide. That's what your candidate stood for. That's what your party did. Anything else out of your mouth is a fucking lie.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Can you expound on how a vote is the same thing as explicit and material support for the worst aspects of a politician?

Going to just post every individual question from that comment as its own reply, since this LLM only responds to the first sentence of a reply

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml -1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Dehumanizing anyone who disagrees with you is also extremely on the nose nazi shit.

Spoiled fucking brat. Acting like I owe you a response to every gish gallop downstream of your first premise that was a fucking lie? You're just fucking dumb.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Then act like a fucking human and respond to my questions instead of calling me a nazi and ignoring 99% of what I say. You have yet to acknowledge my entire point, that the average American likes the Democrats or the Republicans, and so one of those two parties was necessarily going to win.

Can you integrate that concept into your mind, so you can understand why I would vote for the one of those two possibilities that's less bad?

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml -1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

The fucking genocide supporter wants me to act like a human.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Just saw your edit on a prior comment.

Spoiled fucking brat. Acting like I owe you a response to every gish gallop downstream of your first premise that was a fucking lie? You're just fucking dumb.

Lmao this dude whose only response is "YOU'RE A NAZI YOU'RE A NAZI NANANANANANA" is calling me a spoiled fucking brat

Motherfucker, you engaged me in conversation. If you don't want to have a conversation, don't reply to my comments. If you don't want people asking you to back up your claims that someone is lying, don't claim that someone is lying