yeah i tried looking up what that would even be a symbol of and how that, historically, could be justified, and found absolutely nothing. not even in their "yo, tha's anti-semitic" claim.

i've been really disappointed in the ADL. the world doesn't need a second AIPAC, and it does need more organizations like the SPLC to keep track of racist dog whistles, and i think the ADL used to be that, but now they're fully subservient to the will of the nation of israel, which is… deeply upsetting as someone whose great great grandmother fled what is today Ukraine after russia decided outward expressions of non-russian identities within the russian empire was unacceptable, and they'd start with the Ashkenazi because getting people to hate jews is real easy for some reason.

zion is a concept, not a place. Palestine was only selected to be the location for zion after it became clear Lwów (today Lviv) was going to remain under soviet control following WWII, so somewhere else needed to be zion. modern day israel is where it is not out of the deep value of the holy land as a home for the Jewish people, but as a political expedient that also helped the UK and US with a colonization project they had in mind.

it bothers me that for so many zionists, the actual location of zion doesn't apparently matter, but it does matter that they get to inflict suffering on others. why are they so certain a city they left 1800 years ago is more suitable for their livelihoods than cities they left 140 years ago? because i can't help but notice indigenous Palestinians (who have been through every wave of suffering with us and more, by the way, they are our brothers) have darker skin than indigenous Ukrainians and Poles. it makes me think zionist israel is a project of white supremacy, not of Jewish survival

[–] Gyroplast@pawb.social 4 points 1 month ago

yeah i tried looking up what that would even be a symbol of and how that, historically, could be justified, and found absolutely nothing. not even in their “yo, tha’s anti-semitic” claim.

I remember propaganda "caricatures" of jewish octopi ensnaring the world, promoting the myth of a jewish conspiracy to take over the world. Seeing how this conspiracy theory is somehow still going strong, I'm not surprised how sufficiently simple-minded, or ill-willed, actors pick up on the connotation, and interpret it within bounds of their very finite understanding of the world. Or twisting confabulated connotations in a weird, whataboutistic way to somehow.. critique? others as antisemitic, since they've been labeled as such themselves all the time, and can only see and use it as a content-deprived slur anymore to silence and attack their perceived enemies.

Well, either way, antisemitic octopi were a thing in Nazi Germany propaganda. Poor cephalopods.

[–] yukichigai@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I just remember when the ADL went after David Icke and the guy talking about 12-foot-tall Lizardmen seemed to have the more rational point.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Our new sucker-tentacled overlords.