Jen Sorensen: Your New Order Has Arrived
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To pay attention or to not pay attention...
Pay all the attention you want, it's not like anyone was ever actually given the option out of this mess through the system.
I'm out of this mess through the system. They didn't do shit to stop me getting on a plane and flying across the ocean last Monday to a more civilized part of the world. It has its own problems, but at least people don't get into things like massive healthcare debt.
Yeah that's taking advantage of a privilege that practically zero other people have to flee to a safer distance from the problem. That isn't helping clean up the mess and doesn't entirely fully remove you from it.
It allows you to claim you aren't involved because you stay uninvolved but it's not the same as being helpful or even being offerable advice to anyone else other than a percentage so small it rounds down to zero.
I am saving my queer daughter's life.
I suppose you would rather me stick around and have her marched into a camp?
Do you have any kids? Would you sacrifice children for your cause?
I didn't say that. I was pointing out the privilege of your statement when you offer that as a solution to this issue.
You can use the idea that anyone pointing it out is some villain who would have your family hurt but that's not reality. It's just an emotional response to protect your mindset. That's fine. Don't treat me poorly because of it though. You already got more privileges than the queer people left behind who may be in what you fantasize and have nightmares of.
It's not a sacrifice if we can't leave. It's just reality. Something you have a privilege to alter to ignore.
This is what you said:
As if that was why I left.
I never even claimed I wasn't involved, so it's just a lie anyway. For one thing, my wife is still in the U.S. and, since she's a librarian, she's facing the possibility of prison. Meanwhile, my meager savings are running out and I don't have a job.
So maybe I don't have this amazing privilege like you seem to think.
You have said that you are out the mess through the system, not entirely true, but through a privilege of the system. I have seen your other comments around telling people that there is no more action that can be taken and that this was the only choice but for most people the ONLY choice IS to stay.
Just because it's not working out for you doesn't mean it wasn't a privilege. The amount of people that could walk that path that you are taking is again very small.
I'm sorry that it's not working out like you hoped but going around telling people the only way out is apathetic leaving to another country and then to now feel bad for you for. I can only offer my general empathy for dealing with struggles but I have no other for you. Not while you still seem to admonish everyone else without the same privilege you don't recognize.
That is utter horse shit. I never said or even implied such a thing. That is a disgusting lie.
I keep saying this to people- I know I'm stupid, I know I'm worth everyone's contempt, there's all kinds of horrible things you could say about me that are true... so why do you and others make up lies?
Talk about how shitty of a parent I am by failing my daughter. Talk about how everything I do is worthless. Talk about how I will never accomplish anything anyone will admire or be proud of. All of those things are 100% true.
But don't say that I am going around telling people the only way out is to be apathetic and to leave the country because I never said that.
I'm not going through your post history to find more but you do have a history of talking down to others and treating the rest of the nation like it's owed this when it could just be a travesty for a lot of people who also didn't want this to happen. It doesn't comfort everyone to relinquish control and you just recently told someone else the time to do anything was in November and your apology was, lacking an apology. It's very self defeating, and worse it's socially accepting defeat for the rest of us.
Also, wow. Honestly don't come at me while talking yourself down like that. It's miserable and not in a way that inspires empathy either. Your standards may be way to high. I've had people tell me I'm the kindest person ever and they look up to me for bringing over fresh baked bread and some veggies from the garden. Nothing done is worthless especially if it's done with others in mind.
You have your own issues that I don't want to be dragged into, and it's clear that continuing will either make me complicit in making your mood worse or worse be a beacon for it and there is so little than can be done over the Internet for either.
Go find a cool stick and give it a swing. Maybe give someone a hug too.
First of all, I very clearly said "feel free to try" there, meaning that I said the opposite of what you claimed.
Secondly, if you're going to talk to a worthless piece of shit like me, expect to hear worthless things said.
Thirdly, who would want to hug me? Who would want me to touch them? My daughter is gong to end up in a camp because I failed and my wife will end up in prison because I failed and you think someone would want to touch me?
Please bring this enrgy to someone other than me. It's not that I am not sympathetic but I will not respond the ways you are looking for. I simply don't have the emotional connection to provide either spectrum of a response.
You responded to them pointing out it was rude by saying, that you said, they could try too. And then that they likely would fail, immediately after.
It's mean. It's manipulative and it's degrading to others. If you are doing that to yourself at least don't do it to others. Unfortunately even when the world is rough and the inside of our heads hate us we are still responsible for what we do and say.
Even this.
I didn't ask you for sympathy, nor do I deserve sympathy, but just because I think something won't work doesn't mean no one should try because what I think is almost always wrong.
And I'm sure I am manipulative and degrading to others. One of the billion ways I'm a colossal fuckup.
And a fuckup who is responsible for someone's life and is going to destroy that life by being a fuckup.
And if you don't want me to "bring this energy" to you, no one is forcing you to keep replying. I never asked you to respond to me in the first place.
Just pretend I'm already dead like I will be when I inevitably fuck up and she goes into a camp and it will be my fault and I won't be able to live with it. I'm barely able to live with myself now. Hence the suicide attempts.
Not sure why people still bother talking to me once they realize I'm a worthless sack of shit.
For your edit.
And stop this mope as a defense response to not being "perfect". Just move on then. Nobody else is perfect and we don't all throw in on life because of it. It's like you aren't even trying to learn from your mistakes and get better.
Even if others are sacks of shit they don't off themselves either and we have to keep dealing with them whether they are attempting to get better or not cause they don't go anywhere.
If you think you are a good person and someone disagrees you don't just burn the city down to prove you were never good. It's fucking pathetic and apathetic, you try to figure out how to be better.
It's not a defense, it's a fact.
And others who are sacks of shit aren't going to end up putting their daughter in a conversion camp.
One of the many things about me you are wrong about because you don't know me.
Why do you even give a fuck?
I give fucks, unfortunately, about everyone, yourself included. That's my stupidity.
You made a hail Mary of a decision and now you think it's failing but you have already decided an outcome that isn't anywhere close to reality. None of the things you worry about have yet to come to pass. Come up for air sometime but I won't respond like this cause you need to be the one to come up.
And also I have a personal vendetta against suicide. It is apparently not very effective and really rather painful.
You give so much of a fuck that you've insulted me in almost every comment.
Yet.
Oh look, another thing you know nothing about in regards to me. I am literally in constant pain. On the 1-10 pain scale, I am rarely below a 3. I reach 10 at least once a month.
Either stop pretending to give a shit about me or stop pretending you know who I am.
Then get off the fucking Internet and focus on your family you dingus. Limit your scale to what you have control of and stop moving around here trying to solve everything or prove anything to any of us.
I responded because you called me a liar for stating facts. You constantly decide for others and double down on things stupider than this conversation as well. Fucking decide for your own life. If your goal is 100% making your daughter have the best life then make choices for that, dont continue with others who that's not their goal.
You haven't failed if you haven't given up yet. Just change your tactic or your mind every once in a while. And yeah I will stop giving you the attention you crave now. Go deal with yourself. And I don't mean that in the snarky way you are. Suicide fucking hurts, it's physically a painful mess and it doesn't fix anything it just means you stop the board without ever even trying to get more points and everyone else has to play on without you.
Do better than daydreaming about already failing.
I know I haven't failed yet. I said I'm going to fail.
And yes, I know everything I say is stupid, I already established that. I realize I'm a moron but you don't have to repeat what I said back to me.
Anyway, like I said, you won't have to worry about any of it soon enough when I inevitably ruin her life because I won't be around to see the fallout. I won't be manipulating you any more. I'm not even sure how I'm doing it now, but I believe you because everything anyone says about me that is bad is almost certainly true to some extent.