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[–] Carl@lemm.ee 4 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

when it’s the state/government/leadership that is using acts of violence

So when a corporation uses or sponsors acts of violence it's not authoritarianism? I guess Coca-Cola-funded fascist death squads are just smol bean libertarians fighting the oppressive tankie socialists!

You can't even get your talking points in order. The main people on lemmy.ml are anti-capitalist, they would accuse those who would censor them of being anti-communist.

[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 1 points 47 minutes ago (1 children)

So when a corporation uses or sponsors acts of violence it's not authoritarianism? I guess Coca-Cola-funded fascist death squads are just smol bean libertarians fighting the oppressive tankie socialists!

Until Coca-Cola is its a government, no, that’s not authoritarianism. That doesn’t mean it’s good. Things can be bad without being authoritarianism.

You can't even get your talking points in order. The main people on lemmy.ml are anti-capitalist, they would accuse those who would censor them of being anti-communist.

Yeah you’re right I was caught between two phrasings and I mixed them up. I edited it to fix it. Thanks for pointing out my mistake!

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 25 minutes ago (1 children)

Until Coca-Cola is its a government, no, that’s not authoritarianism.

Which was more authoritarian: slavery or freeing the slaves? Slaveowners were not the government, therefore, according to you, nothing they did could be considered authoritarian, right?

It seems pretty arbitrary to single out one single heirarchy and say that only that heirarchy is capable of being authoritarian.

[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 minutes ago

Idk what you think we’re arguing about but I’m curious where this is going.

It seems pretty clear to me that applying the definition I gave previously of “authoritarian violence” as “state-perpetrated violence against citizens with ideas the state finds threatening”, slavery could be considered “authoritarian violence” but “freeing the slaves” couldn’t.

If you are specifically talking about the US Civil War, I do think that counts as “authoritarian violence” to the extent that the war was about stopping a group of citizens from rebelling against the government.

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Bwah bwah bwah what about coca cola, what about Gaza, what about south America, what about Iraq bwah bwah

The problem with tankies like yourself is that they can't recognise that the CCP is evil, Ukraine was not full of nazis needing to be invaded and not everything is western propaganda.

The US is a fucked up evil empire, Europe has a violent colonialist past and is still doing bad shit around the world, but your Communist Utopias are just misery spreading machines on everything they touch.

[–] Carl@lemm.ee -1 points 1 hour ago

the CCP is evil, Ukraine

Do, uh, do you know which country it was that invaded Ukraine?