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Doctorow: don’t retaliate with more tariffs, hit them where it hurts. (pluralistic.net)
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[–] gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

That's a bad argument and frankly a shit take. An artist doesn't have to be have a formal degree to make food art, a journalist doesn't have to have a formal degree to do good investigative work, and no one needs to go to culinary school to post a good recipe they made. Your argument doesn't make sense on face value in numerous situations.

Qualification is primary source material is valuable. I want to know the doctors who run clinical trials are qualified, registered, and in good standing. I want that data published from a reputable source but not necessarily a qualified one. And I want people who are good at explaining data, with a rational perspective, to explain that data in every medium they can. Distributing, digesting, repackaging, and resynthesizing facts do not require qualification and can still provide benefit.

Doubly so when conversing about a topic, writing philosophy, or debating a political stance. I don't need every 9-5 worker to be qualified in a subject matter when talking to them about it, I just need them to be rational. Starting that conversation and formulating opinions is what I enjoy about Cory's work. I do not need a PhD or a government official to do that. If someone has thoughts worth considering, if they communicate them in an agreeable manner, and if they do so in a public space correct for that conversation then they provide value regardless of their qualifications.

I think your deduction as to why we're in the shape we're in in the US is poorly formed. People didn't just wake up one day and decide to get their news from the clown network and then they voted in a clown. People who wanted more power and control deregulated industries, moved money out of communities, worsened public education, monopolized the media, monopolized industry, and stoked fear until people wanted any change and promise of safety regardless of who gave it.

I think what you're doing now, trying to silence positive educated voices on the Internet, enables those bad people to continue their evil work. Because it cost other people like myself time to respond to this bad opinion that could have done harm if supported by enough people. Gatekeepers and authority are not the deciders of what is valuable and what isn't.

[–] ech@lemm.ee -2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I think your deduction as to why we’re in the shape we’re in in the US is poorly formed. People didn’t just wake up one day and decide to get their news from the clown network and then they voted in a clown. People who wanted more power and control deregulated industries, moved money out of communities, worsened public education, monopolized the media, monopolized industry, and stoked fear until people wanted any change and promise of safety regardless of who gave it.

I figured I'd summarize to the more immediate issue instead of writing a treatise on the last 70 years of US society. Sorry, I guess?

As for the topic at hand, my point is that Cory isn't a "positive educated voice" in this matter. He's shoehorning his special interest that he's questionably qualified at into a topic that is entirely separate. And the only reason he has a platform is because he appeals to Internet denizens with his stoking of righteous anger at corporations. That's far from a good baseline to start with when the stakes are that much higher than a blog article.

Ultimately, my "bad opinion" that you think is so harmful is that people should listen to voices with experience on the matter. I gather from your reply that you have gripes with authority figures, but I promise you that letting pop figures dictate the discussion isn't going to solve anything.

[–] gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

I'm saying you summarized incorrectly. I'm not accusing you of being too succinct, I'm accusing you of being wrong.

You refuse to argue the subject matter and rely on attacking the person. I'm not here to defend Cory, I don't know the person. I'm here to say your opinion is bad and I want other people to think about it because you clearly haven't. International copyright law is a tool nations use to make trade beneficial to both sides theoretically, yes? The US is in a trade war with its allies, which I'd like to point out is not supported by anyone qualified on the subject matter that I can find. So wouldn't it make sense for countries at war to reconsider all trade tools during a trade war? That seems like a pretty fuckin basic concept. Pretty related to the conversation wouldn't you say - copyright laws and trade wars?

Whether you or I agree or disagree with the approach, well that's interesting if a bit meaningless because I assume neither of us is an elected representative. But at least it's interesting. What would be a good tool for those under attack to use for the benefit of the most people? I'd like to know that. Maybe if I did I could advocate for it, or do more research and spread the knowledge, or generally better my own understanding of society.

Instead I'm arguing with you about whether or not a person should be allowed to have an opinion on a community built on peoples opinions. It's a stupid position to have when the content is value added. He has a platform because he writes and he writes enough that he's bound to get attention if his material is good enough and it happens to have been good enough multiple times. Idk why that makes you so upset. It feels small to try and pair down a person's success, however minor, to one single thing. Especially while ignoring their contributions. Again I repeat, you're a part of the problem instead of a part of the solution.

If you want more opinions posted from reputable sources fuckin post em. But you come off as condescending and wrong when you assume people aren't listening to voices "with experience" just because they engage with voices you disagree with. Most people are capable of taking in multiple sources and coming to the correct conclusion, including but not limited to weighing educated specialist opinions more than random blogger's opinions.

I love that you're seeing what you want to see here but I can promise you that I have no love for pop figures. That's again, a weird old person assumption. People should listen when experts talk. That doesn't mean they should ignore all other voices. Those things are not mutually exclusive.