cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/25133597
Come one come all to the Lemmy-verse! It's nice and cozy here, we do have some "bad parts of town" but you can do an instance block and not deal with them lol
For your memes we have !memes@lemmy.world if you like sciency posts mander.xyz has some excellent communities (communities=subreddits) like !science@mander.xyz and !biology@mander.xyz and for a meme science combo theres always the fantastic !science_memes@mander.xyz
You can also drop a shit(post) off at !lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world or hang out at !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone (though you do have to post before you leave that one!)
There's much more around as well!
Obligatory, fuck Spez
Lemmy.ml admins remove content critical of the CCP, and similar things. The admins of most other instances don't do that shit.
Grad is much the same, while Hexbear is just 4chan for Stalinists.
No I know, but I'm not interacting with the admins of .ml, and I haven't really seen anything from the average .ml user that isn't your run of the mill leftist talking points I see all over Lemmy. They're not censoring or banning me from posting Winnie the Pooh, you know? Your experience may be different.
I have no idea what grad and hexbear are, I've never seen those instances and I'm assuming my admin already defederated from them. They're pretty reasonable in that regard.
Maybe I should learn Finnish in their honour...
I mean, unless you frequent .ml communities, they can't censor or ban you.
That's the thing though. Those .ml communities end up quietly curated to curb any criticism of the admins' favorite authoritarians. Highlighting this fact is necessary, and participating in .ml communities is undesirable at best; those who still wish to do so should at least be informed as to what goes on.
Oh I see what you're saying. I agree about the communities, but I was speaking more about the users from .ml getting blasted in communities outside .ml simply because they are from that instance (like in this thread).
If the users from there are participating in communities from outside that instance and following the rules, why does it matter if they're from .ml? They're not in the censored community, we're not in the censored community, who cares what the .ml admin are doing?
Communities shape how people think and act. Normalizing bootlicking for authoritarian regimes causes those who participate in those communities to feel and reproduce that normalization. Not only that, but when grad and Hexbear were defederated by many instances, many users on Grad and Hexbear created accounts on .ml for the explicit purpose of continuing the authoritarian apologia they so enjoyed in the exact places that told them they weren't welcomed. At some point, pattern recognition sets in, and it's not inherently wrong for it to do so.
I don't think every .ml user is an authoritarian. But if I see someone making authoritarian apologia, I'd say a good 4/5s of the time, it's someone from .ml.
Sure, but only if they're solely in those echo chambers, which if they're posting in .world, they clearly aren't. And any ones who do are told off because of the content of their posts, not their home servers.
I see quite a few inflammatory posters from .world and .ee (especially of the American exceptionalism, anti-Palestine, and more recently anti-Canadian (🤭) varieties) but I don't automatically assume every single person on those servers hold those values. In fact, I think 9/10 comments I see you post specifically, PugJ, I agree with.
I had no idea about the Hexbear/lemmygrad lore though, I'll definitely keep that in mind going forward.
Not necessarily. Like how people who use 4chan regularly maintain the standards and behaviors even though 4chan isn't their only online community of choice. People take their norms with them, even when they leave home, sort of thing.
I mean, I agree this should be the case, my point is just that the bad reputation of an .ml home instance is not entirely unearned by the .ml community, regardless of the individual user.
I can't speak for .ee, but I would point out the same about .world, albeit phrased differently. .world absolutely has a reputation for being more moderate and less leftist than much of the Fediverse (though, again, I would emphasize that 'social democracy' is the standard, and that both North American and European right-wing and center-right parties are reviled, so it's definitely a question of relative political stances), and if you see someone espousing a "Capitalism isn't so bad 🥺" view, the chances of them coming from .world is probably better-than-average, insofar as the Fediverse is concerned. It would not be incorrect to make that connection - pattern recognition is useful.
Remember to treat people as individuals, yes, but when all the [Sportsball Team A] fans are out wearing plain red shirts from [Local Store] for their team, you are not wrong to scrutinize people who choose to wear plain red shirts from [Local Store] extra closely in that light, even if that isn't that individual's intent or leaning.
Ngl, I am learning so much lemmy server id pol from you right now, lol
It's very interesting reading your experience (which I guess is the more common experience), and how even on this free and open platform there is still some sort of social grouping happening. I didn't really even factor that into my choice of server when I signed up, but now that I think about it, servers like slrpnk and the old 196 server (I'm completely blanking on the instance name) are built around special groups, obviously so. I guess I just don't think too deeply on the identities of the general instances because they claim to not have one (but they clearly do lol.)
Thanks for making the effort to explain all this, I appreciate it!
Happy to help! I'm terminally online af, so I see a lot of... all of the discourse, lmao.
The closest thing to subreddit drama here is probably yepowertrippingbastards over on db0ero, but even that is more like Am I The Asshole for mod bans than anything else.
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