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I know nothing should surprise me with these fucking people at this point, but my mouth still dropped open when I read that.

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[–] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 52 points 8 hours ago (12 children)

The “pager attack” killed 42 people, including two children and two healthcare workers, while wounding another 2,800 people. The attacks targeted public areas, including cars, streets, and supermarkets, and many of the wounded suffered eye, hand, and brain injuries. Many survivors needed surgery, and some victims went blind or had to have their limbs amputated. One of the attacks killed an 11-year-old boy and an 8-year-old girl, along with a nurse. At a funeral for some victims, another electronic device attack was carried out by Israel, wounding more people. It’s unknown how many Hezbollah operatives the attack actually killed.

“That was a great operation,” Trump reportedly told Netanyahu, after being given the morbid gift.

I can not believe this man was voted in. I can not believe this time line is real.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago (6 children)

I can't believe all the people who sat the election out and just let this happen.

[–] skaarl@feddit.nl 14 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

This is such a strange take, but a popular one among Americans it seems. There are many more elements to why Trump is president, structural incentives especially money in politics and the specific democratic process that involves the Electoral College, districts etc. I'm not American yet even I know about these... don't you guys? It's sad because it seems like you guys are fucked, and have no idea what you did wrong. The burgler is in the house and you all are trying to wrestle down a potted plant.

It's also absurd because the US markets itself as the world leader of democracy, but Democratic voters are saying, "Why didn't you vote with the Party? You shouldn't have exercised democracy!"

I know you don't speak for all Americans, but maybe you can shed some light on this.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 2 points 2 hours ago

but Democratic voters are saying, "Why didn't you vote with the Party? You shouldn't have exercised democracy!"

Criticizing somebody’s choice implies that they had a choice to make and exercised it, not that they didn’t or shouldn’t have had the choice. Hell, the people that voted FOR this shit also exercised democracy in doing so.

[–] rocket_dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 6 hours ago

If it was only America that was fucked it wouldn't be such a big deal, America deserves it.

Unfortunately the election consequences also mean America is locking in accelerating climate change, which is going to hurt the poorest countries the most.

America and the other richest countries have the best means to mitigate the damage. American homes come with heating and AC standard.

In the most marginalized communities in the world climate change is going to turn into climate genocide.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

For the benefit of other countries dealing with their own rightwing dickhead movements, what we did wrong was slow-roll prosecuting them for blatant crimes.

Biden should have announced prosecutions into far right agitators during his inauguration speech. It shouldn't have just been the useful rubes from 1/6 that faced consequences. The people and organizations that backed that coup, who fanned the flames and incited violence should have been in cuffs in less than a month, including Trump. From jail, he can't tweet, he can't truth social. He can still write to newspapers, and have interviews, and have his lawyer make statements, but all those options have an extra layer of accountability, which would have put a lid on his rampant race-baiting and fear mongering.

I know some of you are going to be worried about appearing partisan. The truth is, bipartisanship is a weapon of the far right. When they are in power, they ride roughshod over everything and everyone, with absolute glee when they can foist terrible policies on the other side. When they call for bipartisan compromise, they are saying "hey! You need to accommodate the views of our bigots and 1% base! Won't you think of them!?" and we should have told them to fuck off.

People need to vote, and they need to vote effectively. If you've got ranked choice, great, vote for the candidates that represent your views the best. If you have a first past the post system, then you need to vote for the least worst candidate that can actually win, even if they don't align with your morals or ethics. I know it sucks to do it, but you have to consider risk versus reward when making your decision. Taking a big risk on our rights and lives to make a small statement about historical support to a historical ally in a conflict practically as old as history itself, is a really fucking stupid thing to do. There was practically nothing to gain and everything to lose.

[–] skaarl@feddit.nl 1 points 2 hours ago

Yes, I see your point. Very true about "moving to the right".

"People need to vote, and they need to vote effectively. If you’ve got ranked choice, great, vote for the candidates that represent your views the best. If you have a first past the post system, then you need to vote for the least worst candidate that can actually win, even if they don’t align with your morals or ethics."

This I think is one thing what Progressives in America have been working on, without the help of the Democrats (also healthcare, labour protection etc.). Then when the election comes, Democrats are surprised they did not get more votes and did not motivate people to the polls. Then they blame Progressives, who they have been ignoring, for not voting for them even though Republicans have a worse guy. So, Democrats don't serve the poeple and are sad when they don't get votes, is that right? Also, Democrats only listen to campaign advice from donors, even though donors are not a majority of the base... and then surprised when they get less votes? It just seems absurd to blame anyone but the Party. It is plain and simple bad politicking. Even blaming Trump supporters makes more sense, but they might actually fight back.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -1 points 6 hours ago

Do you think maybe there are multiple reasons why Trump is president and one of them could possibly be because far more people sat out the election than could have swung it against him?

Also, you shouldn't vote with the party. You should vote against the fascist. I have no idea why that is confusing to you unless you vote for fascists.

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