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[–] OneTwoThree@mander.xyz 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

This is all such a strawman argument

“and you have to pay for it when I’m in prison.”

Yeah, isn't it so terrible for checks notes incarcerated people with no income to pay for medical insurance to have access to necessary healthcare..? Seriously though, you know for a fact 'trans people in prison getting healthcare' is not the issue that people have with the trans community, because if it was, the legislation would tackle only this. Instead, the issue seems to be with our very existence, hence the denying trans people exist, hence the branding trans people as pedophiles, etc

“You have to let me play sports against biological girls. You can’t make me play sports against boys - it has to be girls”.

Again, where is the proof? Which untransitioned trans woman has ever actually said this? And, for transitioned trans women, why does the issue of childrens sports teams need to be regulated by the federal government? Consider the following study: "Limited evidence suggests that physical performance of nonathletic trans people who have undergone GAHT for at least 2 years approaches that of cisgender controls. Further controlled longitudinal research is needed in trans athletes and nonathletes."

In my opinion, the question of "trans people in sports" is one for science, not one for politics. For instance, perhaps for sports like running, a trans woman can compete in women's sports after 2 years of gender-affirming hormone therapy ("After 2 years of GAHT, no advantage was observed for physical performance measured by running time or in trans women"). For sports like rowing, you could have it be 4 years ("By 4 years, there was no advantage in sit-ups")

Trans women that demand to use the women’s restrooms before they are effectively transitioned.

I don't think I've ever seen any sort of video evidence that trans women are actually doing this. The trans community gets harrassed so much most untransitioned trans women either go to the mens bathroom or just hold it.

The LGBT+ community has spent its entire political capital on those three issues.

The LGBT+ community has absolutely not focused on these issues, at all. Rather, right-wing think tanks like FOX News keep pushing false narratives down the general public throat, misrepresenting what the LGBT+ community wants (to have hormone replacement therapy and gender affirming surgery on the market, to not be legislated out of existence, to not be discriminated against or hate crimed, etc) into some BS strawman seemingly only constructed to make the trans community look unreasonable, or something.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The LGBT+ community has absolutely not focused on these issues, at all.

Yeah - housing and employment protections are too reasonable requests to get media attention. If the media platformed that conversation, we might come across as human beings deserving of empathy - can’t have that.

Like I’m burnt the fuck out. I don’t care about high school athletics - I just want to not lose my job two weeks after I get it because I have the wrong genitals.

[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah - housing and employment protections are too reasonable requests to get media attention.

Gotta get them clicks. This isn't out there enough to see coverage, it's just too reasonable. Hard to click-bait.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I think it also contributes to a kind of invisibility of the issue. People seem to passively think that all forms of job discrimination are illegal and don’t happen. It’s a significant part of why I don’t talk to family anymore.

Getting fired from gig work cleaning bird shit off bleachers because my drivers license had an “f” on it just isn’t a fun story. The survival sex work I resorted to afterwards might I guess.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Here is the question I keep asking them about trans people in sports, especially trans girls in sports: how do you want the grade schools to determine who is or is not biologically female?

I am sure you will not be surprised that they don't have a good answer considering the only even somewhat viable ones would be "look at the genitalia of minors" or "force them to get medical testing done."