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scarily... They don't need to to be this creepy, but even I'm a tad baffled by this.

Yesterday me and a few friends were at a pub quiz, of course no phones allowed, so none were used.

It came down to a tie break question of my team and another. "What is the run time of the Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the ring" according to IMDb.

We answered and went about our day. Today my friend from my team messaged me - top post on his "today feed" is an article published 23 hours ago.....

Forgive the pointless red circle.... I didnt take the screenshot.

My friend isn't a privacy conscience person by any means, but he didnt open IMDb or google anything to do with the franchise and hasn't for many months prior. I'm aware its most likely an incredible coincidence, but when stuff like this happens I can easily understand why many people are convinced everyone's doom brick is listening to them....

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[–] Neuromancer49@midwest.social 8 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

No no, they listen. How do you think the "Hey Google" feature works? It has to listen for the key phrase. Might as well just listen to everything else.

I spent some time with a friend and his mother and spoke in Spanish for about two hours while YouTube was playing music. I had Spanish ads for 2 weeks after that.

[–] moody@lemmings.world 12 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

Your phone listens for the phrase "Hey Google" and uses little processing power to do so. If it was listening to everything and processing that information, your battery would die incredibly fast. We're talking charging your phone multiple times a day even if you weren't using it for anything else.

As someone else mentioned in another commend, being near Spanish speakers' phones, Bluetooth/Wifi tracking are what Google is using to track you. They search Google in Spanish, Google can tell you spend time with them, Google thinks you speak Spanish.

[–] wintermute@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 8 hours ago

Exactly. Phones have dedicated hardware that stores the trigger word and wakes up the OS when it detects it.

[–] Neuromancer49@midwest.social 1 points 7 hours ago

Well shit. That makes a lot of sense.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Your phone listens for the phrase “Hey Google” and uses little processing power to do so.

I need some metrics on this. It must be recording at least some things above a certain volume threshold in order to process them.

[–] moody@lemmings.world 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I mean the microphone is active, so it's listening, but it's not recording/saving/processing anything until it hears the trigger phrase.

The truth is they really don't need to. They track you in so many other ways that actually recording you would be pointless AND risky. While most people don't quite grasp digital privacy and Google can get away with a lot because of it, they do understand actual eavesdropping and probably wouldn't stand all their private moments being recorded.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago

so it’s listening, but it’s not recording/saving/processing anything until it hears the trigger phrase.

I think this is the part I hold issue with. How can you catch the right fish, unless you're routinely casting your fishing net?

I agree that the processing/battery cost of this process is small, but I do think that they're not just throwing away the other fish, but putting them into specific baskets.

I hold no issue with the rest of your comment

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 17 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

This stuff isn't magic. It's tech. These things can be proved by analyzing network traffic.

[–] drwho@beehaw.org 3 points 7 hours ago

It would be pretty easy to test, too.

Get a pre-paid phone. Set up a brand-new Google or Apple account. Activate phone using the new account. Put it through its paces for a few hours and note the ads you get.

Shoot the shit with your friends and family with the phone on the table for a few hours.

Put the phone through its paces again and note the ads you get.

[–] Ethalis@jlai.lu 10 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

The amount of processing power that would be needed to listen the output of billions of devices 24/7 just to push ads wouldn't make economic sense.

[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Well neither dies the cost of llm but that's bit stopping them

[–] drwho@beehaw.org 2 points 7 hours ago

AI acceleration ASICs are already in a lot of hardware these days. It doesn't take a whole lot anymore for it to be both cheap and feasible.

[–] ggppjj@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago

Prove your extraordinary claim.