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It's not google's fault. It was told to do so and has. Does anyone seriously expect them not to have done this?
Every American company, or company doing business in America, needs to toe the line of an unpredictable and vindictive president, especially one as fat and tempting as Google.
Now there'll be a disconnect in mapping between what some sources say and what others do, but anyone with a little history knowledge knows this isn't the first time.
I'm not in the USA, I am not a US citizen. No reason I should be seeing this while I'm in the EU.
Submit a correction. Many people should.
Look at the Falkland Islands. It does the exact same thing because the Argentinian government ordered them to. Google maps tries to stay apolitical, by abiding governments, and adding the non-globally recognised name in brackets.
Nor am I, but what's that got to do with it?
The renaming isn't internationally recognised, so shouldn't be shown internationally.
There are hundreds, perhaps thousands, of place names that are not internationally recognised around the world.
There's no legal requirement to comply.
This is voluntary
Yeah, right. Of course it is. Ever tell a dictator no? They're very forgiving.
look, fuck google for many reasons, but not this. this is just keeping your head down and trying to survive the shit storm.
Nah, fuck them 100% - and this is just icing.
look, if you're a soulless corporation just trying to deliver profits to shareholders, this is 100% the right move.
the problem is not refusing to go along with some meaningless gesture based in ignorant nationalism. the problem is that we live in capitalism, where the right move is always the one that delivers profits. decisions lacking humanity are always going to get made. focusing on this nothingburger just distracts from the bigger picture.
if you want results, destroy capitalism.
Says the person defending google...
You don't destroy capitalism by making concessions to mega-corp. If you truly want to destroy capitalism, you should be constantly taking every shot you can.
i'm not defending them. i'm just trying to temper your expectations. there's a lot of uproar of pikachu shocked face stuff. it's all symptoms of the illness. you will be slapping band aids on shit forever if you don't attack the root cause of the illness.
sometimes i think you all just want stuff to be outraged over. maybe you just like to post about it and get upvotes. maybe you just want to be part of an in-group.
does that assumption bother you? because it bothers me that you think i'm pro-capitalism just because i won't join in on your circle jerk.
Reading through your post history I am inferring that you believe you're smarter than everyone (due to pretty much a complete absence of any kind of snark for about a week. I didn't go back further than that). I don't believe you're very smart. You're the type of "leftist" that causes division amongst the left. That being said; yes, I believe you're pro-capitalist. So with that, I block you.
you sound like an asshole btw
When they start rounding up trans people and deporting them to concentration camps, I'll remember that the person shoving me into the train is just trying to keep his head down and weather the storm.
oh, i can hear the violins playing now.
of course you made this into something about trans people when it will likely be anyone who opposes them. ya'll are gonna get slaughtered. wise up.
Their stated policy is to put trans people and illegal immigrants in camps.
They're the first group being targeted.
cool. you got your breaking point. my breaking point was years ago. catch up.
What is your point?
my point is that most of you seem very naive. it's like your minds are mired in the way it should be instead of what has to be done to make it the way you want it to be.
You're still being vague.
In nazi Germany they had a name for those who kept their heads down and tried to survive the shitstorm. They were called Nazis.
To be fair, you shouldn't call everyone a nazi.
My grandparents ran away from the Japanese soldiers during the Japanese Invasion of China. Most of their village doesn't consider them "collaborators" or "汉奸" (Han-Traitor). They did what they had to to survive. Fleeing from conflict is not the same as collaboration. Those who fled from the Taliban shouldn't be labeled as "Islamic Extremists". Ukranians who fled the draft shouldn't be labeled as "Russian Sympathizers".
But that's only for individuals, civillians, not corporations or politicians. Google definitely has no excuses. But the point I'm trying to make is: unless someone actually help the fascists, they shouldn't be labeled as "nazis". It's not morally wrong to give in to human survival instincts and run away from conflict. If Anne Frank successfully fled nazi Germany, you wouldn't call her a "nazi", right?
Anne Frank wasn't "keeping her head down to avoid the shitstorm" so I wouldn't say that's even close to equivalent.
not true. You should read what's written back then
not all Germans were considered NAZIs. Heck, not all Germans were even considered Germans.
Why is everything black/white with lemmings?
ooo. somebody's looking to score some upvotes for their virtue signaling.
well, i'll tell ya what boss... how about you get out there and start killing nazi's then. otherwise you are one (by your own reasoning)
That's what a nazi would say.
Don't worry, I'm already on the case.
good.
and if you're implying that i'm the problem, then by all means, come and get me. i'd love to give you a lesson in getting shit done.
We found an Internet tough guy, everyone back up! While we were busy virtue signaling this guy studied deez nuts.
The 2nd richest company on the planet is not afraid of the US government they own.
sure. whatever. fuck google. i'm definitely not here to defend google.
it's beginning to look like there is no helping you people though. it's like you all just got here and you're trying to convince the oldest grognard how bad things are. like, motherfucker, i've been here since 9/11.
You cry like a baby
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They aren't a mom&pop small bussiness, they are a multi-national multi-billion dollar conglomerate that spans almost the entire world. They can afford to take the risk. They can "lobby" (aka: bribe) the government and get them to back off. Also, as far as I know, there were no legal requirement of mapmakers to change it. It's always legal under the first amendment for mapmakers to make an "incorrect" map.
The renaming only applies to US federal agencies. Google is (supposedly) not a federal agency, so yes, it is their fault.
Google takes their place name data from the relevant country's official government sources. That source data changed. This is exactly like when the previous administration renamed Mt McKinley to Denali.
They don't have to do that, especially when the change is clearly for white supremacy purposes (like Denali being given its colonial name back). It's their choice to be bootlickers.
Reference, please?
That would make sense if they didn't also change in Europe...
How could they change it in Europe? It's in the Americas?
(Yeah, I'm being facetious, but changing maps depending on where you read them is just adding another layer of confusion)
This is absolutely right. I work in the biz (not google) and we don't decide what things are named. We just ingest sources. Very rarely do we make manual edits such as this. It's not like we have a department sitting around deciding what all the bajillion things in a map are named. If the US decides that something is named something, that's what we ingest.
This is the exact nonsense that gets people all worked up and fighting and wasting their energy, while we have oligarchs planning our demise.