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[-] anachronist@midwest.social 9 points 1 year ago

There is overlap especially when you don't confuse communism as the broader framework with state communism or even worse soviet communism.

[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

Have you read "On Authority" by Engels?

[-] DivineChaos100@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

I have, its a terrible "rebuttal" of anarchist criticism of marxism, conflating self-defence with authority.

[-] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

That is the thing though, until you abolish class contradictions states are the most effective way of protecting the revolution and suppressing the bourgeoisie. So authority does equal self defense in a real, meaningful way.

[-] DivineChaos100@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

No, since states can get couped. The most effective way of protecting the revolution is gathering the masses which can happen without the state, indeed, it has happened multiple time throughout history.

[-] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

The most effective way of protecting the revolution is gathering the masses which can happen without the state, indeed, it has happened multiple time throughout history.

Could you point to examples?

[-] DivineChaos100@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Anarchists in civil war in spain (until some of them decided to fuck off), I would say the makhnovshchina defended itself pretty well with the scarce resources they had, greek anarchists with their decades old squats, bolivian grassroots movements who helped Evo Morales get in power in Bolivia, etc.

[-] anachronist@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago

And the fact that Engels wrote it proves that there were people in the movement even in those early days who disagreed.

[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

I have an idea of what a state is, but what's a "soviet"? That's not an English word.

What does "soviet" mean in Russian?

[-] anachronist@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I know you're being cute but "soviet" is indeed a word in English: http://dict.org/bin/Dict


  Soviet
      adj 1: of or relating to or characteristic of the former Soviet
             Union or its people; "Soviet leaders"
      n 1: an elected governmental council in a communist country
           (especially one that is a member of the Union of Soviet
           Socialist Republics)

And it means what I intended it to mean, the official state ideology of the USSR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology_of_the_Communist_Party_of_the_Soviet_Union

[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

That sounds bland, I like the idea of council communism better.

How do you say "council communism" in Russian?

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