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Wow. You're giving off some heavy misogyny vibes right now accusing me of having a herd mentality for pointing out actual symptoms of actual problems. We're not even talking about the LTT accusation anymore, but about specific behaviors you used to decide that she was probably lying. That is the shit that makes people afraid to tell anyone when they are abused.
I've worked at some big paranoid companies, cameras everywhere (full lockdown, fwiw), that have dealt with abuse issues. My own boss was stuck in a toxic environment regarding another coworker for MONTHS before she got the courage to speak up and deal with it. Guess what. The cameras don't do much when a large part of the abuse is verbal and the abusive moments are just that - moments.
Thing that made me feel like shit? I witnessed some of it, and took it as consenxual because she wasn't saying anything about it. I was young, dumb, and raised to have the same mindset you're showing me right now.
Not sure. I'm using Reid's Principle of Credulity at this point and time. Should evidence come out she is lying, I will stop giving her the benefit of a respectful response. The presence of cameras at LTT's office is not that. People are abused in front of, or around, cameras all the bloody time.
I'm going to give this to you straight. I've heard someone say basically the same thing with the same attitude about a domestic abuser. Then the "lying" victim was hospitalized. If you had lived that life experience, would you act that way?
As a side note, I'm in the tech world for a career. Predominantly male. Perhaps predominately white, though I can't speak to those statistics - the environment is more diverse every day. That said, I met a friend back in 2015. She's smart, eloquent, and overall extremely talented. I've seen her get passed over for promotions; I've seen clients engage her unfairly, by making statements like, "are you getting the engineer?" Because they were expecting a man. Anyway, a lot of us in our inner circle suspected her boyfriend of physically harming her. For years. But there was never any concrete evidence. After 8 or 9 years of friendship for me, perhaps 12 or 13 for others in our circle, she cut off all contact with us. She sent a message saying, "I can't talk to any of you, it's not right. You are all married and I'm engaged." She never spoke to us again. This was about 6 months ago.
Said circle, also, is not all male. 3 males, 2 or 3 female, plus spouses. One trans man and his wife. Pretty diverse in all aspects.
So anyway, 2 months ago she up and quits her job. Straight up leaves. No exit interview, no reason, nothing.
I am about 99.99% sure that she's in some kind of mentally abusive relationship. Her boyfriend had control over her when she was at work with us. We gave her opportunities to tell us. She chose her path.
It saddens me often when I think about it. But it doesn't affect my opinion on this LTT story....
Bottom line, beyond any contestation - the right thing to do would have been to report it to the the correct authorities; not us.
That they didn't, alone, is enough to completely discredit the entire story. To claim ignorance, in 2023, of what should have been done is just bullshit.
What happens, then, when the storm blows over and this is all proven to be false? Are ya'll gonna come back here and admit you were wrong? Going to start following LTT again? Nah, the herd has left and moved on. Ya'll will pretend to be enthused by the delivery of the dude at Gamer's Nexus, despite his content being less thrilling than simply reading the spec sheet. (Just saying, his delivery is terrible, though I respect the channel.)
If it comes out that this was all a lie, it might just be too late.
You actually think that's easy? And how do you know she didn't, and that they didn't just say the same shit you did? There's a LOT of documentation of authorities in some areas (and Az is one of those) not taking those types of complaints seriously enough, especially when made against a person of power. There's literally been a huge outcry about it.
But more importantly, that's why most people who finally admit to being abused don't do so to the authorities. They do so to friends, or yes, a public forum. You're telling me that IF this is true and IF this is actually her responding as many/most victims do, it's still her fault?
And if it actually happened and she finally got the courage to say it, why exactly should those who care enough to follow her NOT be made aware of it?
With that attitude, it WILL be proven to be false regardless of the facts.
Wrong to give the potential victim the benefit of credulity? FUCK no. I hope she's lying because it means she wasn't abused, but I'm not going to add to the abuse by denying her life experience. I'm not saying we should globally cancel LTT. I'm saying we shouldn't cancel HER, like you seem to be doing.
You really have more sympathy for a corporate machine with their ability to hire professional troubleshooters for bad press, than a person who might have been highly abused by that corporate machine? Well there's the disconnect.
Let me make this clear. If LTT is destroyed by her coming out, that's on **their ** failure to be a business that can prove itself safe for workers. Note the word "prove". If they did everything right, they would have mountains of structure and evidence to support that they are a safe environment, not people coming out of every little crack recounting consistent stories about them. If they do everything right moving forward, they change this from being a toxicity issue to an HR issue and whether or not you believe it actually happened they make sure it can't ever happen again.
This tells me everything I need to know about you.
No matter what I say, you'll never contest a single point; and we will never have any middle ground. So engaging with you will be a waste of time.