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'We've lost a partner and a friend': Ukrainians somber as U.S. partnership disintegrates
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Nah. We wanted trump in.
People wanted Putin in at first too, no? Didn't he do the whole "I'm the strong man who will save everyone and only I can do it" kind of bs like Trump, then once in gutted everything in order to consolidate and maintain power also kind of like Trump?
I'm actually fairly ignorant on his initial rise to power, so please don't be too hard on me 😅
He took way longer to do it, but that's a good summary. He left office because the prez could only serve two terms but had congress transfer most of the power to the prime ministership and he got that job, so they had a puppet president for 4 years. Then they said he just can't serve more than 2 terms consecutively so they restored the power of the presidency and he returned to office and they modified the constitution to remove the two term limit and here we are.
yup. but putin was young. trump is old and aging fast so the direct applicability to the US is limited. at this point that's the only nice thing. putin's old, trump's old, xi jinping is old. At least twp of them go out of commission in the next 5 years.
Imo, the problem with Trump isn't Trump himself becoming dictator. His years are numbered, thankfully. Him possibly irrevocably consolidating power in the executive and installing sycophants throughout branches will really fuck our government up, however.
That said, you can definitely see where Trump gets his inspiration, and it sounds like Putin had direct inspiration from Hitler's rise. Nifty!
yup, trump's a symptom not a straight up cause. his demise is expected to be the least consequential of this "elite" trio, as he is already getting sidelined without consequence. Old, virile trump would have fired musk a month ago.
When will the boomers fucking die already?
Russia was fucked from the collapse of the Sovjet Union. Imagine if most of the US would be like Detroit in the late 90s.
Meanwhile Russians didn't have "experience" with Democracy and the institutions were not designed yet for it.
The FSB, ex-KGB and other intelligence/military started to organize the oligarchy as a mafia.
Saying Russians in 2025 wanted Putin becauae he rose to power back then and manipulated all elections since, is a bit unfair imo.
No one said or implied we were talking recently... 😅
I was specifically talking about his initial rise to power, which, as you stated, was in a significant power vacuum and period of instability for Russia. Hence why I said "at first" in my previous comment.
Seems there was more than a fair amount of manipulation in the voting, the MSM and Putin's social media psyops program here too.
Putin also did red flag bombing on an apartment complex so he could justify going to war in Chechnya again.