this post was submitted on 02 Jul 2023
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I think the way federation currently works spells doom for the fediverse, should any service of it get major traction. Currently, if you subscribe to a community on Lemmy or follow a user on Mastodon, your instance will pull the content of that instance/user and make it available for all to see and interact with. What seems like a good idea to spread content however is becomming the achilles heel of the fediverse: The admins of Lemmy/Mastodon instances are liable in many juristictions for the content their servers are distributing. This means in practice that many Lemmy/Mastodon instances block NSFW content for example, as the admins, understandably so, are either unwilling or incapable of making sure they are not running afoul of any laws.

As such, I think that the fediverse needs to offer a way for users to follow content from other instances without having that content be stored, let alone shared by their home instances.

A question I have at this point is where this criticism is best levied against. Is it the job of Lemmy/Mastodon to provide such a form of federation, or does the ActivityPub protocol needs to be ammended?

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[–] sabreW4K3@lemmy.tf 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For every beehaw.org, there's a lemmy.tf, you're judgment is using your limited viewpoint, expand your view.

[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You are missing the point. Beehaw defederates because they want to keep their instance close to their values. My post isn't about those types of defederation. I'm concerned about admins having to defederate for legal reasons. If you are an admin of an instance and your instance pull content from another instance that is illegal for you to possess or share, because one of your users subscribed to a community of that instance, then the only recourse you have is to defederate from that instance. That is bad design.

[–] sabreW4K3@lemmy.tf 1 points 1 year ago

No, you're missing the point. You want a decentralised service to act like a centralised service under the guise of safety. Isn't that what various governments are trying with encryption? The way things are designed is so that there's no single power, your method would allow for the spoilt kid in the playground to take their ball and go home because someone weren't playing by their rules. Stop trying to make Lemmy into the same shitty things we've had before.