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Defence analysts warn U.S. will control key systems on F-35 fighter jets, putting Canada at risk (ottawacitizen.com)
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Supporters of Canada’s F-35 purchase point to the hundreds of millions of dollars worth of contracts that Canadian companies have earned by supplying parts for the U.S. aircraft. That, in turn, has sustained or created Canadian aerospace jobs. But on Feb. 28, the National Post reported that Trump has told Lockheed Martin he wants those jobs back in the U.S. when the Canadian contracts come up for renewal.

During the 2015 election campaign, Justin Trudeau vowed his government would never purchase the F-35.

As prime minister, Trudeau continued to point out the Canadian military had no need for the F-35 and he blamed the Conservatives for agreeing to purchase a problem-plagued fighter jet. But, with the 2023 announcement, the Liberals not only committed to the acquisition, but also increased the number of jets to be bought to 88 from the 65 the Conservatives had wanted.

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[–] Grimpen@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Gripen might be a stopgap, but it is an older platform. At least with updates it's at least considered a "4.5" generation fighter. F35 is pretty much the best option atm.

Planning ahead though, Canada needs to get involved with either GCAP (Global Combat Air Platform or FCAS (Future Combat Air System).

We can't realistically pull off another Avro Arrow with modern 5th/6th generation features by ourselves. We can partner with more reliable allies though, and help bolster our own defence aerospace industry at the same time. In either GCAP or FCAS, we would be the junior partner though.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 21 minutes ago

Well, stealth is part of the definition of 5th gen, so the F-35 is kind of the only one in production. The Chinese and Russian equivalents are rumoured to be not actually that stealthy, so they're probably 4.5 as well.

Ignoring the "generations", Gripen vs. F-35 is an apples-to-oranges comparison; they follow totally different philosophies.

Gripens are designed to be a workable fighter jet, while being operable out of an improvised runway with a small, untrained ground crew. It has air intakes that are resistant to swallowing rocks and only needs 500m to take off, for example. Notably, Sweden was preparing to slow down an invasion by a neighboring superior force with it until their allies could arrive, and that's reminiscent of our situation now.

Meanwhile, F-35s are designed for general air operations in a large military, while being stealthy. They managed very impressively few sacrifices on maintainability and performance to get that stealth, but it still needs a massive supply chain to run. You're not launching it from somewhere in the bush. I'm not even sure if a standard airport will cut it. Stealth is nice, though, for obvious reasons.

They both are NATO compliant and have network-centric warfare capabilities

[–] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think Canada needs to accept a stopgap measure - the Gripen, Typhoon, Rafale, or Super Hornet - and dive headfirst into GCAP. FCAS is tempting as well, but GCAP is farther along and the countries are probably closer in goals to Canada.

[–] Grimpen@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I agree.

GCAP includes Japan (CPTPP partner), and they seem very motivated to not dawdle with getting a modern fighter. GCAP also includes the UK (CANZUK + NATO) and Italy (CETA/EU+NATO).

FCAS is France, Germany and Spain, off the top of my head, and has much less urgency. Of course that could be changing. They're all EU and NATO, so more eggs in a single basket, but more reliable than US.

One other edge to GCAP is that Sweden had considered joining GCAP, but backed out. They might get back in maybe? Saab is pretty damn competent as well. It would be an even better team. Plus if we went with Gripen and already had some cooperation with Saab, could be even easier to work together.

Perun had a good video a little while back… here it is https://youtu.be/TTjdEtHYDJ4

[–] thijsje@social.vivaldi.net 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

@Grimpen @NightOwl what are your thoughts on Rafael?

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