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I would understand if Canonical want a new cow to milk, but why are developers even agreeing to this? Are they out of their minds?? Do they actually want companies to steal their code? Or is this some reverse-uno move I don't see yet? I cannot fathom any FOSS project not using the AGPL anymore. It's like they're painting their faces with "here, take my stuff and don't contribute anything back, that's totally fine"

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[–] Bogus5553@lemm.ee 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

MIT/GPL is fine for smaller tools.

[–] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

For small programs the FSF/GNU even suggests considering not using the GPL https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-recommendations.html

[–] Bogus5553@lemm.ee 5 points 4 days ago

Yes, and a cp or ls clone isn’t that meaningful to stick GPL to.

[–] kogasa@programming.dev 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah, specifically for something like coreutils I can't see the malicious endgame that is suggested by others here. Is the fear that a proprietary version of cat or pwd or printf takes over the ecosystem and then traps users into a nonfree agreement? Or a proprietary coreutils superset that offers some new tool and does the same thing? Or a proprietary coreutils that generates profit for businesses without attribution to the developers? What would stop anyone from just writing their own proprietary set of tools to do the same thing now, even if uutils didn't exist? Clearly not much, since uutils did exactly that (minus the proprietary bit).

I personally don't see a compelling reason to change to MIT, but I also don't see the problem.

[–] crystalwalrus@programming.dev 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

What's stopping people from doing that today is network effects. There are enough differences today between bsd coreutils and gnu coreutils that substituting one for the other doesn't work out of the box.

The chain of events that would cause a problem are: due to Ubuntu popularity rust MIT core utils overtakes gnu coreutils and people drop support for gnu coreutils, then a large and we'll funded corporate entity could privately fork rust coreutils and lock people in.

[–] Ferk@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

To me, the problem is not really so much about "locking people in" (it's also unclear what you mean by that, if they were already using that ecosystem before using uutils aren't they already locked in?)

To me, the problem is how the MIT removes legal protections when it comes to ensuring accountability to changes in the source.. how can I be sure that the version of uutils shipped with "X Corp OS" has not had some special sauce added-in for increased tracking, AI magic, backdoor or "security" reasons? They are perfectly free to make changes without any public audit or having to tell their users what their own machine is doing anymore.

[–] kogasa@programming.dev 2 points 4 days ago

I'm with you until the lockin. How does that happen?