I've used proton for a year or two now and it is fine. Great for use on my phone when I want to use public/airport wifi and it sort of kind of works with gluetun (the rotating port is annoying but it still is a forwarded port).

But I've increasingly been annoyed with Proton as a company and am looking to migrate my email/domain to fastmail in the very near future. I COULD continue to just pay for the vpn (60 USD a year is pretty reasonable) but also feel like this is a good opportunity to "shop around"

Checked the wiki and other FAQs (which all basically crib from said wiki) and they all basically boil down to proton or mullivad... except that mullivad apparently stopped allowing port forwarding which is a bit of an issue for any torrents and the like.

So are there any other good options?

Thanks

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[–] matey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 55 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (6 children)

What's going on with Proton the company?

Edit: ah fuck, thanks for the replies. Sigh.

[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 86 points 4 weeks ago (15 children)

Their CEO praised Trump/the Republican Party. He got widely criticised for it. Proton released a damage control statement but later deleted it after it made things worse.

People are now moving away from Proton as a result.

[–] Extras5023@lemm.ee 15 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Wow! Add me to that group. I need to cancel my annual family plan.

[–] Gronk@aussie.zone 10 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I unfortunately bought a subscription before dickhead made his statement. Looks like I'm with them for a year >.<

[–] Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 weeks ago

I haven't done it yet, but if you cancel your and contact them, I've heard you can get a refund for the months you haven't used. Even if you cancel but don't contact, you still can use the service until the end of your subscription.

My biggest thing stopping me rn is moving my emails away from proton mail and simpleogin (switched to mailbox.org and anonaddy free) and trying to convince myself I don't need port forwarding 😭

[–] Zaphod@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 3 weeks ago

For fucks sake. I just started to move to proton last year...

[–] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

The CEO doesn't own Proton, for what it's worth. He may have founded it, but he does not have complete and total control over anything that Proton offers, as some here may believe.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It would be more accurate to say some people are moving away. The majority of their users are quite happy where they are.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 9 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

"Time to find a CEO who has yet to publicly express their fascist sympathies..."

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[–] jherazob@beehaw.org 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I am not, but it took me a year+ to move from Gmail to Proton after having a Gmail account since the start of the service, and after i was more or less settled in now comes this scandal, i will move but it will not be immediately, need to plan it well, and also likely use a custom domain to not need to change the address in the future

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago

If this is as bad as the scandals with Proton ever get, I'll be quite happy.

[–] Honzai@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e worth a read regarding that situation.

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[–] Wildfire0Straggler3@lemm.ee 46 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

The CEO said that Trump chose a great pick and sided with Republicans and there was a firestorm over it, he doubled down on his position through the official Proton channel.

https://archive.ph/2yWGz

[–] FearMeAndDecay@literature.cafe 21 points 4 weeks ago

Ffs I literally just got proton. Fuuuuuck that

[–] Honzai@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago

https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e worth a read regarding that situation.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 25 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Like basically all tech companies, the leadership are libertarian tech bros. It sucks, but whatever. The problem is also that the CEO (?) has been making public statements to try and cozy up to the trump administration over the past few months

Some of that still falls under the LTB effect (These policies benefit the company so fuck everyone else, etc) and it DOES make sense for a company to try and earn themselves an exception for the upcoming hellscape in a market that will REALLY want VPNs. But it still leaves a really bad taste in my mouth.

Not in an "I MUST LEAVE PROTON NOW" state since I like the products because they tend to be pretty honest about what they will and won't do when the goons come a knocking and that mostly boils down to "cooperate. So do X Y and Z to protect yourself by preventing us from having the information they want"). But that, plus protonmail being kind of a shitshow if you want to keep offline copies of your emails, is motivation to shop around.

[–] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 weeks ago

I wouldn't exactly call Tim Berners-Lee a "libertarian tech bro".

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 9 points 4 weeks ago

"libertarian"

[–] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 22 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Just FYI, the majority of Proton AG (which includes all Proton services) is owned by a non-profit body called the "Proton Foundation". This are headed by a board of 5 members, including Andy (CEO) and Tim Berners-Lee (the literal father of the internet as we know it).

Proton is fine.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

routing traffic through Israel is not fine.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 weeks ago (14 children)

Then don’t do that? You have your choice of servers.

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[–] Shadowfax@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

Please elaborate

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[–] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Proton recently closed their masterdon account because of the mutual hostility

[–] nawordar@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

*Mastodon

[–] goldteeth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 weeks ago

if anything they've reopened their account with Master Don

[–] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Andy yen praising trump is one thing and I kind of don’t care about that so much. What I do care about is how proton practices predatory sales to cash in on FOMO. Or if you subscribe for one month it’s an auto renewing subscription. Or that the best rates are if you sign up for a year. It’s weird for a not-for-profit structure to do billing like this

Mullvad doesn’t play games. A flat price and you get what you pay for.

[–] Honzai@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago

Andy Yen may have praised one situation, but doesn't seem to support Trump overall. https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e