I've used proton for a year or two now and it is fine. Great for use on my phone when I want to use public/airport wifi and it sort of kind of works with gluetun (the rotating port is annoying but it still is a forwarded port).

But I've increasingly been annoyed with Proton as a company and am looking to migrate my email/domain to fastmail in the very near future. I COULD continue to just pay for the vpn (60 USD a year is pretty reasonable) but also feel like this is a good opportunity to "shop around"

Checked the wiki and other FAQs (which all basically crib from said wiki) and they all basically boil down to proton or mullivad... except that mullivad apparently stopped allowing port forwarding which is a bit of an issue for any torrents and the like.

So are there any other good options?

Thanks

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[–] droolio@feddit.uk 29 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Still using Private Internet Access (PIA).

Honestly, dunno why they've fallen out of fashion due to the FUD about being owned by an unsavoury parent company, but the most important matter to me is if they keep logs, which they don't. One of the few VPN companies tested on this, in court, and in a recent audit. Plus still extremely cheap (if you go for 3yr+3mo).

Port forwarding works with with this docker NAS stack. Doesn't use gluetun, but there's a specialised docker-wireguard-pia container as part of the stack, with a script that handles port changes. Been flawless.

[–] realitista@lemm.ee 11 points 5 days ago

Yeah they are throroughly vetted and work well, competitively priced. I've never seen a reason to switch.

[–] marauding_gibberish142@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Can you link to their court hearing, specifically where they refused to provide logs?

Also, do they accept crypto?

[–] droolio@feddit.uk 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

https://torrentfreak.com/private-internet-access-no-logging-claims-proven-true-again-in-court-180606/

Yes to crypto, via Bitpay.

[–] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'm curious now, though - what's stopping a US court from ordering all US-based VPN services to retain logs?

[–] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They would shut their servers down in US. The reputable ones that is.

[–] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Sure, but I'm curious why it hasn't already happened. Wouldn't it be spun as "destruction of evidence" or whatever? Or could it be argued that since their "no logs" policy was established prior to any particular suspect utilizing their services, that it would not be destruction of evidence as there would've been no evidence to begin with?

I'm genuinely curious, this shit fascinates me.

[–] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

If they end up forcing logs on US based companies then people will simply switch to European ones. Bringing something like this takes a lot of effort for barely any use.

[–] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago

That's a fair point, and I suppose the majority of people who use VPN services regularly (outside of a corporate environment) would be the ones to immediately jump ship if such legislation was even mentioned.

[–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 2 points 5 days ago

They didn’t refuse to provide logs - they don’t have logs to provide.

[–] AHorseWithNoNeigh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I'm using gluetun with PIA and it works like a charm. Gluetun even has a template on their GitHub.