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[–] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As I understand it, "hidden" is a relative thing. Before exposure one's immune system doesn't know what to look for, after exposure, and immune response, one's T and B cells have a much better chance. That's why denovo immune response to an epitope may not be sufficient, but once the immune system has been 'exposed' or 'educated' the response is much more specific. There are two parts to the immune system, innate, basically structural, and adaptive (T's and B's) that can be primed with certain factors to create a very precise response. The long term nature of immune response is dependent on those cells, which come in number of different 'flavors'. Tissue Resident Macrophages hang out in the area of initial infection, waiting for "that guy" to show up again. They can sit relatively dormant for years. I don't want to mislead, our understanding of the long term memory function of the immune system isn't completely understood. And so we don't know how long a given immune response will last, at least not yet. Does that help? I'm not an immunology prof, or researcher, so I may not have been clear.

[–] Distractor@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Tissue Resident Macrophages hang out in the area of initial infection, waiting for "that guy" to show up again.

This is specifically the bit I'm struggling with. How will they know it's "that guy"?

It's a bit like saying "We know this criminal uses disguises. We've given everyone copies of his mugshot, which they've used for target practice. Now if he wanders in wearing a disguise, people will recognise him."

As I understand it, "hidden" is a relative thing.

I guess this is the answer?

Going back to my analogy, you're saying his disguises are pretty simple. So he might wear glasses or a fake beard, but he isn't likely to turn up in a full clown outfit, with multi-coloured hair, make up, and a big red nose.

[–] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I like your examples, and they might be close enough metaphorically. To stretch your metaphor to the breaking point, if the camo is so big it interferes with function, like the clown outfit, then the virus is "dead in the water", and can't replicate. If it's just a different hat or glasses, and doesn't interfere with function, then replication can happen.

I'm also waiting for that virologist or immunologist who is gonna correct the bits where I'm missing the point. I know some of those folks are out here 'on fedi', lol, but they might be disguised. ;-)

It looks like there's some discussion going on over on Bluesky about this presentation at ACS Spring 2025, which found using Universal Coronavirus Vaccine search string. Denis - The COVID Info Guy seemed particularly informative.

[–] Distractor@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thank you so much for taking the time to explain, I really appreciate it.

[–] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 2 points 1 week ago

It's pretty exciting, as this is something long sought, which appears to finally be coming close to fruition. Glad to be able to help.