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What is the country of origin? Please point out to me where the Aztec country is. Do you mean Mexico? Are they entitled to all the relics of the past civilizations theirs crushed? And yes, I know the idol in Indiana Jones isn't really Aztec, but the overall point stands.
With the exception of the very few cases where a country can actually trace its culture and history all the way back to when those artifacts were made, ancient culture and artifacts belong to humanity as a whole, not whatever geopolitical entity happens to control the land they're on at the time of discovery. It's not a natural resource, it's human history.
While we may debate wether the Aztecs descendants are now the Mexicans, they're clearly not the English. The fact that it's human history is exactly why it can't be all stored in mostly one museum in one country
Would it be ok if Spain took it then?
The Aztecs are not from Europe, dingdong. How is this a difficult concept??
I don't think that strangers coming to your country and taking your historical artifacts is a good thing, wether it's the English or the Spanish
It should be as close to the origin as possible. Sure Mexico isnt fully "Aztec'" but it's the closest option, certainly closer than anyone else
Uh yikes. Mexico has issues but they also have real institutions too. Further, who are you or I to say? Even if such issues exist, it's already a system in failure-state. Returning to the host country is the first step towards a success-state, even if internal theft happens afterwards.
Put this way: as long as the home nation has an appropriate facility, the artifact should be returned promptly.
I agree with most of your points, but not this:
I don't have a say, as I neither have artifacts nor am of the relevant culture. You may speak for yourself. But others may have a say.
However, this could be interpreted as the facilities with the artifacts currently, have no say. They very much do. Discounting them is also wrong.
We can all discuss the moral grounds, which should include which groups get a say.
Cheers
Not sure what you mean. We are all from places, which may be missing artefacts.
Mexico has the federal department INAH (National Institute of Anthropology and History), which preserves and cares for ancient artifacts and historical sites from the Maya, Aztec, Izapa, Teotihuacan, and more. They operate over 100 museums and handle over 139,000 archeological sites, with 150 open to the public. I think Mexico would be able to handle any artifacts found in Mexico.