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We only have to convince people to hate one more car than they already despise.

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[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

while no one would bat an eye at spending $24,000+ on private transit a year per household

The disabled in Ontario are given 13k a year to live on. My transportation budget is literally zero. I wear Xero sandals because they are cheaper than shoes and wear out less, which matters since I walk everywhere.

[–] frostbiker@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

The disabled in Ontario are given 13k a year to live on.

Fuck, that is rough. I'm so sorry. That is a raw deal. It's not fair.

[–] Nouveau_Burnswick@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Average total cost of a car is $12,000 a year in Canada. So a 2 car household spends $24,000 on transit. Honestly it's probably higher for 50 units/sq km density, but that just my anecdotal evidence from people I know in that density.

I get it, it's an insane number. But that is the average, so it's what I used to the case study. Also remember that your $0/year transit budget is dragging that number down. I am surprised Ontario doesn't have free transit for those receiving disability. Reduced mobility and (recently) anyone over 65 has free transit in Montréal. I think are fees for the paratransit system, but I can't figure it out with a quick search.

The economic point for a bus to be cheaper, per running hour, than a car is only 5 cars.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mention because people need to know, not because it necessarily has a lot to do with the conversation, except that the conversation places the figure into sharp contrast.

I am surprised Ontario doesn’t have free transit for those receiving disability.

Have you MET Ontario?!

[–] Nouveau_Burnswick@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I left Ontario just after Douggie boy got elected, so that's got a lot to do with it.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Ontario hates Bob Rae more than it hates Mike Harris. One of them fought tooth and nail to preserve essential government services, and one to eviscerate them. I'm so disgusted.

[–] Nouveau_Burnswick@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I didn't leave because Doug Ford was elected, but the timing worked out so perfectly I get to say it was!