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Lemmy is populated by far left Americans who were banned from Reddit for extremism. Strict ideological conformity is required or youโ€™ll get actual death threats. Donโ€™t go there unless you want violent communist revolution and hate discussing interesting ideas.

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[โ€“] Rhaedas@fedia.io 17 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I always thought I was liberal. Why am I here? Maybe the labels have shifted around and I've held on to the same ideas?

I just find it weird when people group liberal and conservative in the same bucket. Labels are about as dangerous as parties, they muddy the discussion.

[โ€“] Telorand@reddthat.com 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"Liberal" is not a useful word, imo. It means different things to different people. Hexbear users define it in the sense of neoliberalism, a historically right position. To many it means "progressive." To others, it means "somewhere on the left, and I don't care to put myself into a particular box."

If we'd quit shitting on people who call themselves "liberal," we might actually have a more cohesive coalition, rather than rejecting anyone for the tiniest perceived infraction, real or imagined.

[โ€“] rikudou@lemmings.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Liberal, to me, is the opposite of authoritarian. No idea what other people consider it to be, but IMO it's entirely disconnected from the left/right spectrum. You can have authoritarian left, right or center, same way with liberal.

[โ€“] jerkface@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Like in, "liberal democracy." But consider what "the opposite of authoritarian" means in the context of financial policies. The predictable movements of money are punishing to those who don't own capital in a self-perpetuating vicious cycle that ends with a few wealthy people and millions of people suffering poverty. A lack of regulation of finances results in total authority of capital. Neoliberalism seeks to reduce the authority of the state while increasing the authority of capital.

[โ€“] taladar@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It is not just finances, a lack of regulation is a problem in a lot of areas because the naive capitalist idea that people will be able to vote with their wallets doesn't work for 90% of product issues (anything you can't see, anything you don't purchase often, anything you can see but lack the expertise to judge, ...).

[โ€“] lath@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think it's connected to unregulated capitalism in the eyes of its opponents here.

[โ€“] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just because you don't know what a word means does not make the word not useful. Just because ignorant people misuse the word does not make the word meaningless.

When politically illiterate people use the word liberal to mean "progressive" they are just showing their ignorance. Liberalism is "progressive" when compared to absolute monarchy but that's not saying much.

Hexbear users most certainly do not mean "neoliberalism" when they say "liberal." Don't project your ignorance on other people. Hexbear is a politically literate community.

Instead of writing this horribly ignorant comment you should have just gone and looked up what Liberalism is. The definition is like 3 clicks away.

You don't build a "cohesive coalition" by inviting anyone with any ideology. If people don't share views any "coalition" will tear itself apart.

[โ€“] ech@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

Not gonna speak for everyone there, but I've literally seen someone claim "Liberal" derives from "Neoliberal", so let's not pretend it's a bastion of political geniuses.

[โ€“] MBech@feddit.dk 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think the problem with US politics is that liberal is by party design, grouped with the socialists too. Here in northern Europe, the liberal parties are usually considered our right to far-right parties, while conservatives are a bit more centrist and often without any influence.

[โ€“] Rhaedas@fedia.io 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That actually helps, at least with your post. All the more why I hate labels, when they totally flip around depending on the perspective of the person using them. This isn't just a US/Europe thing, it's true of history too. Hence the "Party of Lincoln" trope that Republicans like to wave around, ignoring that the party names shifted and flipped over time.

Socialists and other US extreme left ideas merge in with the Democrats because when they first materialized as political movements and a third party, thanks to our political system they either had to die out or pick a side to stay alive.

[โ€“] MBech@feddit.dk 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Agreed, I mean absolutely no disrespect.

[โ€“] Rhaedas@fedia.io 4 points 1 day ago

None taken or meant either. I just see it a lot, and I guess this morning it triggered a response. :D

I don't know what to call myself, I just know what ideas and values I believe in, and the ones I hate.

As a liberal myself I find conservatives think weโ€™re communists and progressives think weโ€™re fascists.