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[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Unfortunately power is the problem, not the people. Religion is a problem too, because it is bastardized to fuel desire for power. The Ottoman Empire did the same as the west for years, now the tables have turned. I’m confident that if Muslim nations were in power again it would be the same. I think that is what the U.S. fears.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The Ottoman Empire did the same as the west for years,

The Ottoman Empire did what to who again? Screw them for other reasons, but that's a complete false equivalence. And yes, I know about the Armenian genocide; that happened during their last few years when they were ruled by the very much secular Young Turks.

I think that is what the U.S. fears.

The US fears nothing other than expensive oil and Egypt exercising its sovereignty over the Suez Canal. Don't make this about religion when the bombs falling on people's heads are all "secular".

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

You think they just asked people for their land and they gave it to them? They murdered people. No other way to put it.

And “holy wars” fueled their murdering then and now, it just so happens that the people in power now are driven by the holy dollar bill.

Believe what you want, but I have complete confidence that if given the chance Muslim nations would be just as corrupt with power and use religion to fuel their conquests.

What evidence do you have to support the contrary?

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Who the fuck cares about any of this? Even if you're right, so what? What point are you trying to make here?

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

One of the comments said they hated western powers so I’m just saying that anybody in power is a problem. You seem personally offended. Why is that?

[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Don't worry, i hate the ottomans too lol. Religious countries and others that are fueled by their greed of power are a disease. Secularism has been very slowly rising in the middle east for decades, but these attacks and terror only regress.

But ultimately, secular terror vs religious terror... it's ultimately a lose lose situation. I will hate every country that causes these levels of suffering, no matter if they are atheist or not.

Maybe we'll live to see secularism and peace in the middle east, maybe not. It's coming, just nobody knows when.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

It’s bizarre to think about Iran in 70’s and now. I wonder if US will do a similar flip.

But yeah agreed. Secular or not, power corrupts. Not sure if there is a solution except complete and total integration of ethnicities and ideologies.