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Since Wrestlemania there's been nothing but stories about John Cena winning an amazing 17th title, blah blah blah... It's a "History making moment", yadda yadda yadda...

Like...of course he did. It's the storyline. It's quite literally "in the script".

This isn't an achievement. Why is this in my sports news next to last night's hockey scores instead of next to an article about who was the bitchiest on the lastest episode of Real Housewives?

I get it. I loved Wrestling growing up. Back when we all WERE pretending it was real; Macho Man, Hulk Hogan, The Undertaker, etc... But I thought at some point they steered into the whole "entertainment" aspect when most of us grew the hell up and clued into the absurdity of it all.

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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

The outcome of the match is predetermined while the participants pretend that it isn't. That is why there are constant arguments about whether or not it's "fake".

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

The outcome of the match is predetermined while the participants pretend that it isn’t.

The adventure is in the journey, not the destination. I don't care whether you win or you lose when I came to see two roided out giants do backflip kicks into one another's torsos while their friends spray silly string to distract the combatants from the sidelines.

That is why there are constant arguments about whether or not it’s “fake”.

There is absolutely no question that the outcome of the matches is predetermined, in the same way that there is absolutely no doubt that the Rat King is going to get killed by the Nutcracker at the ballet. But both wrestling and ballet are athletic endeavors.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

I agree that most of them are athletic, but they simply aren't competing in an athletic competition.

I think your comparison to the Globetrotters is on point. In the ballet and other examples, the difference to me is that they're not pretending to be in a ballet competition while dancing the ballet.

There's no doubt that what most wrestlers do requires skill, talent, and athleticism but it's "fake" in that what you're watching isn't an authentic athletic competition despite the people involved pretending that it is.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

In the ballet and other examples, the difference to me is that they’re not pretending to be in a ballet competition while dancing the ballet.

In the Nutcracker, at least, they're pretending to fence, in a choreographed dance. A first-time naive viewer who came out of the show offended when they discover skill at fencing has nothing to do with whether the dancers playing the Nutcracker or the Rat King wins would sound silly.

I do think that the kayfabe is what sets wrestling apart from more traditional performance art. The carnival-barker lying-to-your-face aspect of the performance is what makes it feel extra circus-y. But when you accept that the kayfabe is just part of the performance, you stop feeling offended by it and start recognizing degrees of commitment to the bit as part of the artform.

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

In the Nutcracker, at least, they're pretending to fence, in a choreographed dance.

And no one writes stories about who won the fencing match.

Wrestling takes things to a ridiculous level compared to all other performances.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

And no one writes stories about who won the fencing match.

Because it's the same story that's been running for the last century. Pro-Wrestling shows are just stories you haven't seen before. And reviews of new performances are written about regularly.

Wrestling takes things to a ridiculous level

Sure. The exaggeration and the very deliberate kayfabe is a big part of the appeal. But then you see that in Cosplay and at the Renaissance Faire all the time. Running onto the tournament grounds and shouting "These aren't real knights! They aren't really jousting!!" is still considered gauche. And it breezes past the skills you need to ride a horse, maintain a kit, and put on the display without hurting yourself or your partner.

[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 1 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

This still doesn't explain why Cena's victory is being reported to much hype in the sports sections.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

For the same reason any athlete's performance is heavily promoted in sports media.

These are all just ads. All sports media is fundamentally advertisement.

[–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 1 points 13 hours ago

Because they need to sell papers?