People that love their cats and don't want them to die young. Outdoor cats live an average of 2-5 years, indoor-only cats live an average of 10-15 years. By allowing cats outside, they're exposed to pathogens, parasites, and dangers that they wouldn't otherwise experience. In my area, there are coyotes, bobcats, rattlesnakes, hawks, and owls, all of which will quite happily make a meal of a cat. There are also cars; they don't tend to be able to stop on a dime.

[–] Vandals_handle@lemmy.world 12 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Worldwide domestic cats kill billions of songbirds annually. Many songbirds are insectivores that prey on mosquitoes and flys helping to keep their numbers in check.

[–] hessenjunge@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

The current problem of insectivores is a massive massive lack of insects, not cats.

[–] Vandals_handle@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Habitat loss, bioaccumulation of Neonicotinoids and predation by invasive species (domestic cats included) are top three issues for declining numbers of songbirds in the US.

Edit: added region

[–] hessenjunge@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Even the studies most friendly to your position put the conglomerate that cats are counted it in 4th place - e.g.:

Habitat Loss & Degradation (40-50%)
Climate Change (20-30%)
Pesticides & Chemical Pollution (10-15%)
Predation by Domestic & Invasive Species (5-10%)
Collisions (5-10%)
Disease & Parasites (1-5%)
Illegal Hunting & Trapping (1-3%)
Light Pollution (<1-2%)

Let's be very generous and concede cats could contribute 5% (sorry magpies, crows, etc pp. - you contribte almost nothing)

I don't argue this point because I am way to fond of cats. I don't even agree with the above scale - at least when it comes to (formerly) common birds such as house sparrow (Passer domesticus) and common blackbird (Turdus merula). Their main problems are Usutu virus and loss of insect biomass.

I am shit-scared about the loss of insect biomass. I am old and observant enough to have recognized the Windshield phenomenon by myself. I concur with the Danish study hinting at a 80% decrease from 1997 until 2017 (I actually think it is higher now). I live in major city with nice parks - the decrease is observable here too.

If the food supply of songbirds has declined by at least 80% that is your biggest problem right there - and it does not only affect songbirds and not only insectivores.

Over-emphasizing cats in this situation is a smoke screen/ red herring akin to BP pushing the carbon footprint of the common man.

[–] Vandals_handle@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago

Major environmental effects of climate change be it sea level rise, ocean acidification, drought, intensifying storms and temperature rise are all changes to abiotic conditions. Changing abiotic conditions leads to changes in biotic conditions. A habitat is defined by the combination of biotic and abiotic conditions. Therefore climate change should be included in habitat loss.

[–] ratel@mander.xyz -2 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Sounds like a perfect environment to not own a cat. Don't get get a cat if you live in an area that can't accommodate them - they aren't a universal pet despite the fact people treat them like they are.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 13 hours ago

Don’t get get a cat if you live in an area that can’t accommodate them

What is an area that can accommodate pet cats lol

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 2 points 18 hours ago

Under that criteria, there are a grand total of zero areas that can accommodate them. Same goes for dogs.

But that's a stupid criteria, because cats are tamed, and thrive indoors.

Hope that helps.